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In article , "T. Valko" wrote:
I pretty much agree with everything you said. The best feature of NNTP ngs from my perspective is that it's very easy to watch a thread for possible follow-ups. I also like the speed and ease of access. ... is it possible that this is an attempt by MS to kill off a 'text only' application that doesn't fit with their apparent 'everything looks better in html' approach ? An interesting possibility if so - and still wrong. :) |
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In article , "Jim Cone" wrote:
I agree with you and Bruce. However... the new Answers site could be a winner if it used the Ribbon. <g Aaarrrgghhh ! (I'm sure that was the response you were looking for :) ). I worked out a few months ago why I hate the whole ribbon thing idea (it's at the top and takes up valuable space where my stuff could be), so I asked how to move it to the side of the window. Seemed like an easy thing ... but no. Apparently, not only are there only 3 colour "schemes" (another pet hate :)) ... but the ribon is fixed ! Inconceivable ! :) |
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In article , "Bob Phillips" wrote:
That is a shame Ron, I have enjoyed your contributions. But MS don't care, there will always be hundreds stepping up even if they aren't up to your capabilities, and they have shown a blind indifference to those more capable users amongst us. Now *that* is an excellent point. There are many helpful people here, many of them with the mystical 'MVP' status. :) Did MS ask anyone that is actually *in* this on line community what they thought ? I suspect not, but I look forward to hearing anyone say that this is not so and that MS consulted widely before announcing these changes. |
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In article , Simon Lloyd wrote:
Nice thought but i was under the impression that these newsgroups will be closed once the forums are settled. If they're still going to be running then happy days :) Yes, interseting point. I saw that MS said they would 'close' the groups ... but AFAIK, most NNTP servers don't accept 'remove group' commands from anyone except themselves. MS may find this more difficult to do thatn they think (assuming they don't simply mean that they will take the NNTP interface off their web site - that they can do). Again, if MS did try to kill off the groups, there would be little to stop people adding/creating them again. Anyone got any more info on what MS really mean here ? :) |
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In article , "Bob Phillips" wrote:
I get there via my ISP. Eternal September has a free service, I don't know if they would let you connect. They let me, so I'd say the chances look good. :) :) |
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![]() On 5/9/2010 7:16 PM, Bruce Sinclair wrote: In , "T. wrote: I pretty much agree with everything you said. The best feature of NNTP ngs from my perspective is that it's very easy to watch a thread for possible follow-ups. I also like the speed and ease of access. .. is it possible that this is an attempt by MS to kill off a 'text only' application that doesn't fit with their apparent 'everything looks better in html' approach ? An interesting possibility if so - and still wrong. :) Everything looks better with ads? - Jon ------- Jon Peltier Peltier Technical Services, Inc. http://peltiertech.com/ |
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![]() On 5/9/2010 7:40 PM, Bruce Sinclair wrote: In , Simon wrote: Nice thought but i was under the impression that these newsgroups will be closed once the forums are settled. If they're still going to be running then happy days :) Yes, interseting point. I saw that MS said they would 'close' the groups ... but AFAIK, most NNTP servers don't accept 'remove group' commands from anyone except themselves. MS may find this more difficult to do thatn they think (assuming they don't simply mean that they will take the NNTP interface off their web site - that they can do). Again, if MS did try to kill off the groups, there would be little to stop people adding/creating them again. Anyone got any more info on what MS really mean here ? :) I think they mean they will simply turn off their own nntp servers. As you say, they can't control the presence of these groups on the whole nntp/usenet network. - Jon ------- Jon Peltier Peltier Technical Services, Inc. http://peltiertech.com/ |
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In article , Jon Peltier wrote:
On 5/9/2010 7:16 PM, Bruce Sinclair wrote: In , "T. wrote: I pretty much agree with everything you said. The best feature of NNTP ngs from my perspective is that it's very easy to watch a thread for possible follow-ups. I also like the speed and ease of access. .. is it possible that this is an attempt by MS to kill off a 'text only' application that doesn't fit with their apparent 'everything looks better in html' approach ? An interesting possibility if so - and still wrong. :) Everything looks better with ads? Ah. Perhaps my vision is faulty ? :) |
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In article , Jon Peltier wrote:
On 5/9/2010 7:40 PM, Bruce Sinclair wrote: In , Simon wrote: Nice thought but i was under the impression that these newsgroups will be closed once the forums are settled. If they're still going to be running then happy days :) Yes, interseting point. I saw that MS said they would 'close' the groups ... but AFAIK, most NNTP servers don't accept 'remove group' commands from anyone except themselves. MS may find this more difficult to do thatn they think (assuming they don't simply mean that they will take the NNTP interface off their web site - that they can do). Again, if MS did try to kill off the groups, there would be little to stop people adding/creating them again. Anyone got any more info on what MS really mean here ? :) I think they mean they will simply turn off their own nntp servers. As you say, they can't control the presence of these groups on the whole nntp/usenet network. Quite. Well, if that really is what they mean, why didn't they just say so ? Minor damage only if that's the case ... and in some ways, a good thing for those of us here. Thanks :) |
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Everything looks better when we control it!
-- HTH Bob "Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... On 5/9/2010 7:16 PM, Bruce Sinclair wrote: In , "T. wrote: I pretty much agree with everything you said. The best feature of NNTP ngs from my perspective is that it's very easy to watch a thread for possible follow-ups. I also like the speed and ease of access. .. is it possible that this is an attempt by MS to kill off a 'text only' application that doesn't fit with their apparent 'everything looks better in html' approach ? An interesting possibility if so - and still wrong. :) Everything looks better with ads? - Jon ------- Jon Peltier Peltier Technical Services, Inc. http://peltiertech.com/ |
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Yeah, but Simon would want an automated facility to suck all of the posts
into his forum and post back. -- HTH Bob "Bruce Sinclair" wrote in message ... In article , "Bob Phillips" wrote: I get there via my ISP. Eternal September has a free service, I don't know if they would let you connect. They let me, so I'd say the chances look good. :) :) |
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In article , Simon Lloyd wrote:
My forums have both members and newsgroup forums, we have many folk that come to use the interface with the newsgroups, we use nntp software to automatically post and retrieve posts from the newsgroups, i don't think other news readers are configurable to allow automation, but would be good if we could find one so that the members that use these forums for the NG interface will still be catered for. There's *alot* of news software out there, so I'm sure some of it will do what you are wanting to do ... but suggest you give people some options, rather than picking something to 'support'. What is right for one person is nasty for others. :) |
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Jim Cone laid this down on his screen :
My opinion is that it is the precursor to abandoning VBA. We can look forward to the release of VSTO.Not ("VerySlowToOperate.Not") to handle all Office programming needs. It will require the $499.00 Office upgrade and a 64 core 16 GHZ processor and Net.Framework 2.234 thru 19.432 installed on your machine. (The 1500 page manual sold separately). The upside is that it will be almost as fast as VBA. Happy Trails. -- Jim Cone Portland, Oregon USA Well Jim, what does that say for VBA7, expressly created for use with M$Ox64? I fear you may be right, though? regards, Garry |
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![]() "Bruce Sinclair" wrote in message ... In article , Simon Lloyd wrote: My forums have both members and newsgroup forums, we have many folk that come to use the interface with the newsgroups, we use nntp software to automatically post and retrieve posts from the newsgroups, i don't think other news readers are configurable to allow automation, but would be good if we could find one so that the members that use these forums for the NG interface will still be catered for. There's *alot* of news software out there, so I'm sure some of it will do what you are wanting to do ... but suggest you give people some options, rather than picking something to 'support'. What is right for one person is nasty for others. :) You mean as MS are doing? |
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All your post are belong to us.
- Jon ------- Jon Peltier Peltier Technical Services, Inc. http://peltiertech.com/ On 5/10/2010 4:01 AM, Bob Phillips wrote: Everything looks better when we control it! |
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![]() On 5/10/2010 12:07 AM, Bruce Sinclair wrote: In , Jon wrote: On 5/9/2010 7:40 PM, Bruce Sinclair wrote: In , Simon wrote: Nice thought but i was under the impression that these newsgroups will be closed once the forums are settled. If they're still going to be running then happy days :) Yes, interseting point. I saw that MS said they would 'close' the groups ... but AFAIK, most NNTP servers don't accept 'remove group' commands from anyone except themselves. MS may find this more difficult to do thatn they think (assuming they don't simply mean that they will take the NNTP interface off their web site - that they can do). Again, if MS did try to kill off the groups, there would be little to stop people adding/creating them again. Anyone got any more info on what MS really mean here ? :) I think they mean they will simply turn off their own nntp servers. As you say, they can't control the presence of these groups on the whole nntp/usenet network. Quite. Well, if that really is what they mean, why didn't they just say so ? Minor damage only if that's the case ... and in some ways, a good thing for those of us here. If that's what they mean, then who wrote the subject line? - Jon ------- Jon Peltier Peltier Technical Services, Inc. http://peltiertech.com/ |
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In article , Jon Peltier wrote:
All your post are belong to us. Ah, now, which organisation had exactly that policy (everything that goes through our networks we own the rights to forever without paying anything) for everything sent through its network in any way a year or so back ? It might have been telecom (a major NZ communications company) or them and a partner of some sort. Might even have been a MS partner. I can't recall exactly, but when the terms and conditions of the new "service" were translated into English (from IT and lawyer speak) I do recall the uproar. :) - Jon ------- Jon Peltier Peltier Technical Services, Inc. http://peltiertech.com/ On 5/10/2010 4:01 AM, Bob Phillips wrote: Everything looks better when we control it! |
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In article , "Bob Phillips" wrote:
"Bruce Sinclair" wrote in message ... In article , Simon Lloyd wrote: My forums have both members and newsgroup forums, we have many folk that come to use the interface with the newsgroups, we use nntp software to automatically post and retrieve posts from the newsgroups, i don't think other news readers are configurable to allow automation, but would be good if we could find one so that the members that use these forums for the NG interface will still be catered for. There's *alot* of news software out there, so I'm sure some of it will do what you are wanting to do ... but suggest you give people some options, rather than picking something to 'support'. What is right for one person is nasty for others. :) You mean as MS are doing? Yep. That's what I mean. Suggesting there is only one way to do something with a computer is simply crazy, as "everyone knows" this is simply wrong. Why they think people will believe it is beyond me. And it may well be that someone quickly comes up with a "MS forum to newsgroups translater" of course. :) |
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In article , Jon Peltier wrote:
(snip) Anyone got any more info on what MS really mean here ? :) I think they mean they will simply turn off their own nntp servers. As you say, they can't control the presence of these groups on the whole nntp/usenet network. Quite. Well, if that really is what they mean, why didn't they just say so ? Minor damage only if that's the case ... and in some ways, a good thing for those of us here. If that's what they mean, then who wrote the subject line? Ah. That is obviously from marketing. :) |
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In article , Simon Lloyd wrote:
Brude i don't understand?, the folk who use our forums do not use or see a newsreader but simply foum posts in a vBulletin community, so if you mean they have no choice of NG viewer then your right, but then again they choose to use our forums for the interface as threads seem easier for them to follow.......depends what you're used to i suppose :) Yeah I understand that Simon. But I doubt they "choose" to use the web interface for forums ... I believe that's all they know. And, if like me, they knew there was a good way to access newsgroups (which the forums are connected to ?) then that's what they would choose. I suppose there might be an occasional person that prefers a web interface for this sort of thing. There's always one, and yes, it does depend on what you are used to. Of course, if that's all you know, that's what you will prefer. :) News groups are text. Ascii characters ... and there's plenty of ways to look at those (news readers) and I'm sure that the vast majority would prefer one of those if they knew about them. As an aside, I've been fascinated by the occasional post with something like ... "if you found this helpful please press yes" ... cos we don't see any buttons here. :) We also get an occasional pile of "stuff", presumably some left over HTML or other formatting, presumably from some of the the forum posts. |
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![]() "Bruce Sinclair" wrote in message ... In article , Jon Peltier wrote: (snip) Anyone got any more info on what MS really mean here ? :) I think they mean they will simply turn off their own nntp servers. As you say, they can't control the presence of these groups on the whole nntp/usenet network. Quite. Well, if that really is what they mean, why didn't they just say so ? Minor damage only if that's the case ... and in some ways, a good thing for those of us here. If that's what they mean, then who wrote the subject line? Ah. That is obviously from marketing. :) Yeah, we are going to s$#*w you, but it is for the greater good, and it is in your best interests (because we know best). |
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In article , "Bob Phillips" wrote:
(snip) If that's what they mean, then who wrote the subject line? Ah. That is obviously from marketing. :) Yeah, we are going to s$#*w you, but it is for the greater good, and it is in your best interests (because we know best). ... what I like to call definition number 2 of "service" in your dictionary ... has to do with bulls and cows. :) |
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