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Why help?
We all help each other with sticky problems. Some are abusing this sharing of ideas.
Several requests for help have come from one person, Ken Ivins, asking how to solve his problems. He holds himself as a professional, has a company and website, and charges others for his work http://www.kivins.com. Then he comes here asking for free help. A couple of times, fine. But this person is making his living from us doing his work. Maybe he should go to school and learn the way we did. I put money and sweat to acquire what I know. I share with people who don't take advantage of me. How do others feel? |
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Hi infoman,
Just two things: 1) Don't you think you are committing an abuse by posting this off-topic (and potentially a troll) in three different threads? 2) I guess you can't reasonably prove in the virtual environmente, where we all are, neither that the guy you are taking shots at is making his businees solely based on the help he gets here nor the fact that you paid and sweated to learn what you learnt. 3) I believe that, with a few exceptions, most of the people who ask questions here are in some way earning their living with Excel and that is OK 4) Providing help here is totally voluntary and by participating you in a sense renounce any ownership for the ideas you share (unless you explicitly patent them and warn people about the copyright) Regards, KL "infoman" wrote in message ... We all help each other with sticky problems. Some are abusing this sharing of ideas. Several requests for help have come from one person, Ken Ivins, asking how to solve his problems. He holds himself as a professional, has a company and website, and charges others for his work http://www.kivins.com. Then he comes here asking for free help. A couple of times, fine. But this person is making his living from us doing his work. Maybe he should go to school and learn the way we did. I put money and sweat to acquire what I know. I share with people who don't take advantage of me. How do others feel? -- infoman |
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infoman wrote: How do others feel? If you don't want to give someone help, then don't. Otherwise I think you should lay off the personal attacks, especially since you're not giving your name, and, in at least one post are hiding behind an anonymous mail server, and in this post are essentially anonymous, other than being a "junior member" at a web portal. It strikes me that you're being particularly cowardly, whereas the OP is being up front about asking for help. That's how I feel. I don't presume to speak for anyone else (but I do give my real name and email address). |
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Just to add, I can only see something like 16 posts in 3 years from this
guy. This hardly seems over-doing it to me. I have helped many people here who openly admit to being Excel trainers, Office consultants or whatever, and I do not feel bothered or cheated by it in any way. so what's the beef? Bob "KL" wrote in message ... Hi infoman, Just two things: 1) Don't you think you are committing an abuse by posting this off-topic (and potentially a troll) in three different threads? 2) I guess you can't reasonably prove in the virtual environmente, where we all are, neither that the guy you are taking shots at is making his businees solely based on the help he gets here nor the fact that you paid and sweated to learn what you learnt. 3) I believe that, with a few exceptions, most of the people who ask questions here are in some way earning their living with Excel and that is OK 4) Providing help here is totally voluntary and by participating you in a sense renounce any ownership for the ideas you share (unless you explicitly patent them and warn people about the copyright) Regards, KL "infoman" wrote in message ... We all help each other with sticky problems. Some are abusing this sharing of ideas. Several requests for help have come from one person, Ken Ivins, asking how to solve his problems. He holds himself as a professional, has a company and website, and charges others for his work http://www.kivins.com. Then he comes here asking for free help. A couple of times, fine. But this person is making his living from us doing his work. Maybe he should go to school and learn the way we did. I put money and sweat to acquire what I know. I share with people who don't take advantage of me. How do others feel? -- infoman |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:15:04 +0100, "Bob Phillips"
wrote: Just to add, I can only see something like 16 posts in 3 years from this guy. This hardly seems over-doing it to me. I have helped many people here who openly admit to being Excel trainers, Office consultants or whatever, and I do not feel bothered or cheated by it in any way. so what's the beef? Those who teach must also learn. MP- -- "Learning is a behavior that results from consequences." B.F. Skinner |
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3) I believe that, with a few exceptions, most of the people who ask
questions here are in some way earning their living with Excel and that is OK That is true I believe, I certainly do and a lot of the help I've been given by experts on this group have done my career no harm at all! I really thank them all for it. Regards, Alan. "KL" wrote in message ... Hi infoman, Just two things: 1) Don't you think you are committing an abuse by posting this off-topic (and potentially a troll) in three different threads? 2) I guess you can't reasonably prove in the virtual environmente, where we all are, neither that the guy you are taking shots at is making his businees solely based on the help he gets here nor the fact that you paid and sweated to learn what you learnt. 3) I believe that, with a few exceptions, most of the people who ask questions here are in some way earning their living with Excel and that is OK 4) Providing help here is totally voluntary and by participating you in a sense renounce any ownership for the ideas you share (unless you explicitly patent them and warn people about the copyright) Regards, KL "infoman" wrote in message ... We all help each other with sticky problems. Some are abusing this sharing of ideas. Several requests for help have come from one person, Ken Ivins, asking how to solve his problems. He holds himself as a professional, has a company and website, and charges others for his work http://www.kivins.com. Then he comes here asking for free help. A couple of times, fine. But this person is making his living from us doing his work. Maybe he should go to school and learn the way we did. I put money and sweat to acquire what I know. I share with people who don't take advantage of me. How do others feel? -- infoman |
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Google only shows me 3 posts form "infoman", and none of them are offering
any help to any body.......only griping. Exactly what is it you think you should be paid for? I earn my living by Excel, and when I need help this is the first place I come, and when I have spare time, I come here to help others. This system is good........ Vaya con Dios, Chuck, CABGx3 "infoman" wrote in message ... We all help each other with sticky problems. Some are abusing this sharing of ideas. Several requests for help have come from one person, Ken Ivins, asking how to solve his problems. He holds himself as a professional, has a company and website, and charges others for his work http://www.kivins.com. Then he comes here asking for free help. A couple of times, fine. But this person is making his living from us doing his work. Maybe he should go to school and learn the way we did. I put money and sweat to acquire what I know. I share with people who don't take advantage of me. How do others feel? -- infoman |
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"Mangus Pyke" wrote in message ... Those who teach must also learn. Precisely. And as a great teacher yourself Mangus, you would appreciate that :-). |
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I first came to this group to get assistance with some "sticky Excel
problem" (to me). To others, it was easy. Why not benefit from other's experience rather than reinvent the wheel? I come back for two reasons: 1 - I learn from other's questions. I've learned more about excel just by helping others. 2 - I can't just take from a group like this, I need to give back when I can. "infoman" wrote in message ... We all help each other with sticky problems. Some are abusing this sharing of ideas. Several requests for help have come from one person, Ken Ivins, asking how to solve his problems. He holds himself as a professional, has a company and website, and charges others for his work http://www.kivins.com. Then he comes here asking for free help. A couple of times, fine. But this person is making his living from us doing his work. Maybe he should go to school and learn the way we did. I put money and sweat to acquire what I know. I share with people who don't take advantage of me. How do others feel? -- infoman |
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Oh yes, I went and had a look at his website. He makes money out of
designing Access databases, so I do not see anything wrong with him asking about Excel. Maybe you should also get the guts to use your real name, especially when you attack innocent people, who help to make this usergroup the pleasure that it is. -- ve_2nd_at. Randburg, Gauteng, South Africa "infoman" wrote: We all help each other with sticky problems. Some are abusing this sharing of ideas. Several requests for help have come from one person, Ken Ivins, asking how to solve his problems. He holds himself as a professional, has a company and website, and charges others for his work http://www.kivins.com. Then he comes here asking for free help. A couple of times, fine. But this person is making his living from us doing his work. Maybe he should go to school and learn the way we did. I put money and sweat to acquire what I know. I share with people who don't take advantage of me. How do others feel? -- infoman |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 05:22:05 -0700, Kassie
wrote: Oh yes, I went and had a look at his website. He makes money out of designing Access databases, so I do not see anything wrong with him asking about Excel. Though admittedly, he should be shot for charging his clients $295/year for web hosting. ::chuckle:: MP- -- "Learning is a behavior that results from consequences." B.F. Skinner |
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Hi Mangus
lol There I agree, but I think it is his right to charge what he wants. It is also our choice to pay, or rather not to pay those rates! -- ve_2nd_at. Randburg, Gauteng, South Africa "Mangus Pyke" wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 05:22:05 -0700, Kassie wrote: Oh yes, I went and had a look at his website. He makes money out of designing Access databases, so I do not see anything wrong with him asking about Excel. Though admittedly, he should be shot for charging his clients $295/year for web hosting. ::chuckle:: MP- -- "Learning is a behavior that results from consequences." B.F. Skinner |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:25:02 -0700, Kassie wrote:
Hi Mangus lol There I agree, but I think it is his right to charge what he wants. It is also our choice to pay, or rather not to pay those rates! True indeed. I just feel horrible for the people that know no better and accept such services. Hosting is $5/mo for a fairly decent amount of storage these days. That means he's essentially charging $290 month to facilitate the act of hosting them.. But, as you mentioned, it's his right to charge what he wants. :) MP- -- "Learning is a behavior that results from consequences." B.F. Skinner |
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"Mangus Pyke" wrote in message ... I just feel horrible for the people that know no better and accept such services. Hosting is $5/mo for a fairly decent amount of storage these days. That means he's essentially charging $290 month to facilitate the act of hosting them.. That's capitalism. And you might want to re-do your math. |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:12:37 +0100, "Bob Phillips" wrote:
"Mangus Pyke" wrote in message I just feel horrible for the people that know no better and accept such services. Hosting is $5/mo for a fairly decent amount of storage these days. That means he's essentially charging $290 month to facilitate the act of hosting them.. That's capitalism. And you might want to re-do your math. Oops, he's charging $295 per year, not monthly. Thank you! And it's not capitalism, it's robbery. Capitalism is charging $20 for the $5 hosting package, not $235. MP- -- "Learning is a behavior that results from consequences." B.F. Skinner |
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I'm old enough to have spent as many years teaching as some of you have worked. And in my work, I charge for what I know and what I can do.
If I can't do something, I refer the customer to someone who can do the job. I don't try and snag an excel job and then run here for help. Or I bring in help and pay them for their knowledge and work. Another post calls it capitalism. I don't think so. Capitalism would be subcontracting to someone who could do the job. I call it using people if someone charges for something they don't do. Jealousy? No. Frustration with others who can't stand the idea of admitting their limitations or maybe it's losing the money. I have my business and it doesn't rely on guts to ask others to do my work. Maybe you should reexamine your own work ethics if you think it's correct to use someone else's work. In some areas it's called plagiarism, intellectual dishonesty, intellectual theft, or cheating. I'm not advocating restricting information. There should be an equitable exchange. That means not taking advantage of others. That means not giving as much as you get. That means helping as much as you get help. As for anonymous? Sure, because this is the internet and filled with lots of creeps whose first response is to try and identify and harass me. Listen kiddies, I've been on the net when you were learning how to type. I'm listed in enough FAQ's. We all knew each other then. And we didn't use each other. The "takers" didn't last long. Quote:
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"Mangus Pyke" wrote in message ... And it's not capitalism, it's robbery. Capitalism is charging $20 for the $5 hosting package, not $235. No capitalism is charging what the market will pay. Robbery is when you take something from someone that they don't want to give. |
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Hi All, What a topic! Here we are trying to help each other, since there is not one textbook encompassing all these questions/answers, and now we are quibbling because someone is selling the answers. I've been to Border's Book Store many times but have not found any literature on Excel as detailed as the questions found on the Forum. As a rather limited user but avid reader, I look at the Forum as an ever increasing book of knowledge without an Index and with catch-all Chapter headings, since so much is cross-threaded. Reading this book is a great pleasure to see that someone, someplace at some time of day is looking at your problem, perhaps understanding it, and offerring some thoughts, some posssible dialog and eventually, a solution. Any one of these very specific questions can be nothing more than one small, but important, contribution to an overall Excel application for somebody, somewhere. The fact that someone is selling a very few of these thoughts also reflects on the weakness of his/her market because the Forum is available to everyone. I did offer an answer to someone's question. Even if they sold it, I don't want 10%. I think that we are all part of a win-win group. GeorgeF -- GeorgeF ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GeorgeF's Profile: http://www.excelforum.com/member.php...o&userid=24124 View this thread: http://www.excelforum.com/showthread...hreadid=388257 |
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