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Numbers changing between sheets
On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the
sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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I have not been able to replicate the problem although I have seen a previous
post returning inaccurate currency values in VBA where there is a method of overcoming the problem. I would be interested in the actual values in each of the cells to produce the results you are getting. However, a work around might be to use:- =ROUND(Sheet1!C3,2) Regards, OssieMac "Daan007" wrote: On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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ah, "ROUND", why didn't I think of that! That worked just fine.
Further history... I copy and pasted the worksheets to a new book and still had the problem. I then opened another workbook and manually rekeyed the data/formulas and that workbook worked fine. In the original workbook there is heavy formatting and the fields are not always in the same location so maybe it has something to do with that. However round rectified the problem in the original workbook and is a valid solution. Thank you for your time and thoughts on this. "OssieMac" wrote: I have not been able to replicate the problem although I have seen a previous post returning inaccurate currency values in VBA where there is a method of overcoming the problem. I would be interested in the actual values in each of the cells to produce the results you are getting. However, a work around might be to use:- =ROUND(Sheet1!C3,2) Regards, OssieMac "Daan007" wrote: On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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Numbers changing between sheets
You're confusing internal representation with formatted numbers. When you do
calculations in Excel, the number of places of decimal changes to follow the rules of mathematics. For example if you multiply a number with 2 places of decimal by another number with 2 places of decimal you get a number with 4 places of decimal as the result. Example: 12.34 *1.23 = 15.1782. If you format these 3 numbers to show with 2 places of decimal, you'll see 12.34, 1.23 and 15.18. However the underlying value in the cell showing 15.18 is still 15.1782. Formatting does not change underlying values, unless you choose the set precision as displayed option. "Daan007" wrote in message ... On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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Numbers changing between sheets
But wasn't the OP talking about adding, not multiplying?
-- David Biddulph "Wondering" wrote in message . net... You're confusing internal representation with formatted numbers. When you do calculations in Excel, the number of places of decimal changes to follow the rules of mathematics. For example if you multiply a number with 2 places of decimal by another number with 2 places of decimal you get a number with 4 places of decimal as the result. Example: 12.34 *1.23 = 15.1782. If you format these 3 numbers to show with 2 places of decimal, you'll see 12.34, 1.23 and 15.18. However the underlying value in the cell showing 15.18 is still 15.1782. Formatting does not change underlying values, unless you choose the set precision as displayed option. "Daan007" wrote in message ... On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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Numbers changing between sheets
Yes but the OP did not specify how the numbers were derived. They are added
and formatted in accounting format with 2 places of decimal. The OP says that cell Sheet2!D4 = Sheet1!C3 and that Sheet2!D4 is 381.9683. That means that Sheet1!C3 must be 381.9683 and displays as 381.97 due to formatting. Sheet1!C3 is the sum of Sheet1!C1 and Sheet1!C2 both of which are the sum of two other cells. Somewhere along the way, 4 places of decimal were introduced in these "other cells". "David Biddulph" <groups [at] biddulph.org.uk wrote in message ... But wasn't the OP talking about adding, not multiplying? -- David Biddulph "Wondering" wrote in message . net... You're confusing internal representation with formatted numbers. When you do calculations in Excel, the number of places of decimal changes to follow the rules of mathematics. For example if you multiply a number with 2 places of decimal by another number with 2 places of decimal you get a number with 4 places of decimal as the result. Example: 12.34 *1.23 = 15.1782. If you format these 3 numbers to show with 2 places of decimal, you'll see 12.34, 1.23 and 15.18. However the underlying value in the cell showing 15.18 is still 15.1782. Formatting does not change underlying values, unless you choose the set precision as displayed option. "Daan007" wrote in message ... On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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As clarification, all numbers are added or subtracted in the workbook. It is
a budget program with all input in two decimal entry form (nothing automatic or fractional). As I noted in an earlier reply, the problem does not replicate in a new workbook. The 'ROUND' work-around works (see above). The base cause may be related to formatting or some such thing. With it not replicating (I should have checked that first) I am not sure it is worth pursuing further. I really do appreciate all the time and thinking being provided for this event. Your efforts and rapid responses are heart-warming. "Wondering" wrote: Yes but the OP did not specify how the numbers were derived. They are added and formatted in accounting format with 2 places of decimal. The OP says that cell Sheet2!D4 = Sheet1!C3 and that Sheet2!D4 is 381.9683. That means that Sheet1!C3 must be 381.9683 and displays as 381.97 due to formatting. Sheet1!C3 is the sum of Sheet1!C1 and Sheet1!C2 both of which are the sum of two other cells. Somewhere along the way, 4 places of decimal were introduced in these "other cells". "David Biddulph" <groups [at] biddulph.org.uk wrote in message ... But wasn't the OP talking about adding, not multiplying? -- David Biddulph "Wondering" wrote in message . net... You're confusing internal representation with formatted numbers. When you do calculations in Excel, the number of places of decimal changes to follow the rules of mathematics. For example if you multiply a number with 2 places of decimal by another number with 2 places of decimal you get a number with 4 places of decimal as the result. Example: 12.34 *1.23 = 15.1782. If you format these 3 numbers to show with 2 places of decimal, you'll see 12.34, 1.23 and 15.18. However the underlying value in the cell showing 15.18 is still 15.1782. Formatting does not change underlying values, unless you choose the set precision as displayed option. "Daan007" wrote in message ... On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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Numbers changing between sheets
You also have to realize that Excel keeps its numbers in floating point. For
many decimal numbers with decimal fractions there is no exact floating point representation only approximations, so you will wind up with more than just 2 places of decimal just by doing adds and subtracts or by simply entering numbers. You might think you have a number such as 77.10 when in fact it is stored as 77.09999999999... and displays as 77.10 (formatted with 2 places of decimal). You have to take this into account especially with dealing with currency. See the following for correcting floating point rounding errors: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/214118 Also Google IEEE 754 for much more information on floating point numbers. "Daan007" wrote in message ... As clarification, all numbers are added or subtracted in the workbook. It is a budget program with all input in two decimal entry form (nothing automatic or fractional). As I noted in an earlier reply, the problem does not replicate in a new workbook. The 'ROUND' work-around works (see above). The base cause may be related to formatting or some such thing. With it not replicating (I should have checked that first) I am not sure it is worth pursuing further. I really do appreciate all the time and thinking being provided for this event. Your efforts and rapid responses are heart-warming. "Wondering" wrote: Yes but the OP did not specify how the numbers were derived. They are added and formatted in accounting format with 2 places of decimal. The OP says that cell Sheet2!D4 = Sheet1!C3 and that Sheet2!D4 is 381.9683. That means that Sheet1!C3 must be 381.9683 and displays as 381.97 due to formatting. Sheet1!C3 is the sum of Sheet1!C1 and Sheet1!C2 both of which are the sum of two other cells. Somewhere along the way, 4 places of decimal were introduced in these "other cells". "David Biddulph" <groups [at] biddulph.org.uk wrote in message ... But wasn't the OP talking about adding, not multiplying? -- David Biddulph "Wondering" wrote in message . net... You're confusing internal representation with formatted numbers. When you do calculations in Excel, the number of places of decimal changes to follow the rules of mathematics. For example if you multiply a number with 2 places of decimal by another number with 2 places of decimal you get a number with 4 places of decimal as the result. Example: 12.34 *1.23 = 15.1782. If you format these 3 numbers to show with 2 places of decimal, you'll see 12.34, 1.23 and 15.18. However the underlying value in the cell showing 15.18 is still 15.1782. Formatting does not change underlying values, unless you choose the set precision as displayed option. "Daan007" wrote in message ... On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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See also an interesting article about floating point numbers at:
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Numbers changing between sheets - Floating Point Example
Here is a prime example of a floating point representation of decimal
numbers. Format A1 thru A4 as numeric with 2 places of decimal. Enter the following values: in A1, 68.6; in A2, 60. In cell A3 enter the formula =A1-A2. In A4 enter 8.6 In A5 enter the formula: =A4=A3 Surprise! A5 displays FALSE. 68.6 - 60 equals 8.6 which does not equal 8.6! How can this be? Expand range A1:A4 to 16 places of decimal. A1 = 68.6000000000000000, A2 = 60.0000000000000000, A3 = 8.5999999999999900. A4 =8.6000000000000000 A5 = FALSE Now you can see that even additions (and subtractions) can produce approximate answers. "Daan007" wrote in message ... On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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Numbers changing between sheets - Floating Point Example
That is true, but of course it doesn't explain the magnitude of discrepancy
which the OP reported. -- David Biddulph "Wondering" wrote in message t... Here is a prime example of a floating point representation of decimal numbers. Format A1 thru A4 as numeric with 2 places of decimal. Enter the following values: in A1, 68.6; in A2, 60. In cell A3 enter the formula =A1-A2. In A4 enter 8.6 In A5 enter the formula: =A4=A3 Surprise! A5 displays FALSE. 68.6 - 60 equals 8.6 which does not equal 8.6! How can this be? Expand range A1:A4 to 16 places of decimal. A1 = 68.6000000000000000, A2 = 60.0000000000000000, A3 = 8.5999999999999900. A4 =8.6000000000000000 A5 = FALSE Now you can see that even additions (and subtractions) can produce approximate answers. "Daan007" wrote in message ... On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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Numbers changing between sheets - Floating Point Example
Thats could easily be explained by a multiply having been done.
"David Biddulph" <groups [at] biddulph.org.uk wrote in message ... That is true, but of course it doesn't explain the magnitude of discrepancy which the OP reported. -- David Biddulph "Wondering" wrote in message t... Here is a prime example of a floating point representation of decimal numbers. Format A1 thru A4 as numeric with 2 places of decimal. Enter the following values: in A1, 68.6; in A2, 60. In cell A3 enter the formula =A1-A2. In A4 enter 8.6 In A5 enter the formula: =A4=A3 Surprise! A5 displays FALSE. 68.6 - 60 equals 8.6 which does not equal 8.6! How can this be? Expand range A1:A4 to 16 places of decimal. A1 = 68.6000000000000000, A2 = 60.0000000000000000, A3 = 8.5999999999999900. A4 =8.6000000000000000 A5 = FALSE Now you can see that even additions (and subtractions) can produce approximate answers. "Daan007" wrote in message ... On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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Numbers changing between sheets - Floating Point Example
Hence my earlier comment.
The OP still assures us that there's been nothing except addition and subtraction, but he can't reproduce the problem on a new spreadsheet. It may remain an unsolved mystery. :-( -- David Biddulph "Wondering" wrote in message t... Thats could easily be explained by a multiply having been done. "David Biddulph" <groups [at] biddulph.org.uk wrote in message ... That is true, but of course it doesn't explain the magnitude of discrepancy which the OP reported. "Wondering" wrote in message t... Here is a prime example of a floating point representation of decimal numbers. Format A1 thru A4 as numeric with 2 places of decimal. Enter the following values: in A1, 68.6; in A2, 60. In cell A3 enter the formula =A1-A2. In A4 enter 8.6 In A5 enter the formula: =A4=A3 Surprise! A5 displays FALSE. 68.6 - 60 equals 8.6 which does not equal 8.6! How can this be? Expand range A1:A4 to 16 places of decimal. A1 = 68.6000000000000000, A2 = 60.0000000000000000, A3 = 8.5999999999999900. A4 =8.6000000000000000 A5 = FALSE Now you can see that even additions (and subtractions) can produce approximate answers. "Daan007" wrote in message ... On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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Numbers changing between sheets - Floating Point Example
Perhaps someone accidentally entered a number with 3 or 4 places of decimal
in it. "David Biddulph" <groups [at] biddulph.org.uk wrote in message ... Hence my earlier comment. The OP still assures us that there's been nothing except addition and subtraction, but he can't reproduce the problem on a new spreadsheet. It may remain an unsolved mystery. :-( -- David Biddulph "Wondering" wrote in message t... Thats could easily be explained by a multiply having been done. "David Biddulph" <groups [at] biddulph.org.uk wrote in message ... That is true, but of course it doesn't explain the magnitude of discrepancy which the OP reported. "Wondering" wrote in message t... Here is a prime example of a floating point representation of decimal numbers. Format A1 thru A4 as numeric with 2 places of decimal. Enter the following values: in A1, 68.6; in A2, 60. In cell A3 enter the formula =A1-A2. In A4 enter 8.6 In A5 enter the formula: =A4=A3 Surprise! A5 displays FALSE. 68.6 - 60 equals 8.6 which does not equal 8.6! How can this be? Expand range A1:A4 to 16 places of decimal. A1 = 68.6000000000000000, A2 = 60.0000000000000000, A3 = 8.5999999999999900. A4 =8.6000000000000000 A5 = FALSE Now you can see that even additions (and subtractions) can produce approximate answers. "Daan007" wrote in message ... On sheet1: Cell C1 has value of the sum of two other cells. Cell C2 has the sum of two other cells. Cell C3 is the result of adding C1 and C2. All numbers are to two decimals (Accounting format) On sheet2: Cell D4 = 'sheet1'!C3 however when calculated, the number in the cell is to four decimal points and does not equal the number on sheet1 (C3 = 381.97 but D4 = 381.9683). What is causing this? All numbers are entered as two decimal place numbers and formatted as accounting (it is a budget program). How do numbers with two decimal places become a smaller number to four decimal places when referenced from one sheet to another? This was written in Excel 2007 and run in Excel 2007. |
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