Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I can find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can use VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

There is a VB stand along application. the core of that is VBA. The office
programs also use VBA for their macro languages.

VB.Net is a completely different language that has it roots in VB/BVBA and
much of the syntax is the same or very similar but there are significant
differences as well.

You can buy VB.Net (or more likely Visual Studio which includes vb.net) from
Microsoft or any retailer that sells development tools for windows.

You might be able to get a copy of the original VB from Ebay or someplace
like that.

Some other sources of information:
http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/053001-1.shtml

http://www.theopensourcery.com/vbnet.htm

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/pro...w/default.aspx

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy





"filo666" wrote in message
...
Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I can find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can use VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA is a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this form. In a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under VB.net (no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically changed, every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as part of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or you can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I can find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can use VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

I am sure there are many that would adamantly disagree that VB.Net is the
latest version of VB Classic. Your explanation infers that one should get
the latest, but since the OP's main use is going to be using the Windows
API, I don't think anything is further from the truth.

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy

"Jim Thomlinson" wrote in message
...
Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create
precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA is a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this form. In
a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under VB.net (no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically changed,
every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as part of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or you
can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I can
find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can use
VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

I didn't think I was infering that you should get VB.net, but if that is how
it reads thanks for pointing it out. As for VB.net being the latest version
of VB classic I agree that it is debateable. It is kind of like saying that
an Ipod is just the latest version of a Walkman. They are both exactly the
same and yet completely different.
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"Tom Ogilvy" wrote:

I am sure there are many that would adamantly disagree that VB.Net is the
latest version of VB Classic. Your explanation infers that one should get
the latest, but since the OP's main use is going to be using the Windows
API, I don't think anything is further from the truth.

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy

"Jim Thomlinson" wrote in message
...
Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create
precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA is a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this form. In
a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under VB.net (no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically changed,
every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as part of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or you
can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I can
find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can use
VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

To add to the illumination:

http://vb.mvps.org/vfred/breaks.asp

http://vb.mvps.org/
see working without a .NET

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy


"Jim Thomlinson" wrote in message
...
I didn't think I was infering that you should get VB.net, but if that is
how
it reads thanks for pointing it out. As for VB.net being the latest
version
of VB classic I agree that it is debateable. It is kind of like saying
that
an Ipod is just the latest version of a Walkman. They are both exactly the
same and yet completely different.
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"Tom Ogilvy" wrote:

I am sure there are many that would adamantly disagree that VB.Net is
the
latest version of VB Classic. Your explanation infers that one should
get
the latest, but since the OP's main use is going to be using the Windows
API, I don't think anything is further from the truth.

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy

"Jim Thomlinson" wrote in message
...
Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create
precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA
is a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are
more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this form.
In
a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS
developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source
code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under VB.net
(no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically changed,
every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as
part of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or
you
can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one
of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I
can
find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can
use
VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

I signed that petition long ago, not that I think it will help. MS has
decided to head in a very specific direction with the whole .net platform and
I can not see them maintaining two seperate developement streams for this...
More is the pitty but when the bomb drops at least we will have job security
fixing that which no longer runs.
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"Tom Ogilvy" wrote:

To add to the illumination:

http://vb.mvps.org/vfred/breaks.asp

http://vb.mvps.org/
see working without a .NET

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy


"Jim Thomlinson" wrote in message
...
I didn't think I was infering that you should get VB.net, but if that is
how
it reads thanks for pointing it out. As for VB.net being the latest
version
of VB classic I agree that it is debateable. It is kind of like saying
that
an Ipod is just the latest version of a Walkman. They are both exactly the
same and yet completely different.
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"Tom Ogilvy" wrote:

I am sure there are many that would adamantly disagree that VB.Net is
the
latest version of VB Classic. Your explanation infers that one should
get
the latest, but since the OP's main use is going to be using the Windows
API, I don't think anything is further from the truth.

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy

"Jim Thomlinson" wrote in message
...
Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create
precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA
is a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are
more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this form.
In
a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS
developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source
code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under VB.net
(no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically changed,
every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as
part of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or
you
can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one
of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I
can
find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can
use
VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

I believe that MS licensed VBA to others--IIRC, AutoCad uses VBA, too.

Jim Thomlinson wrote:

Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA is a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this form. In a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under VB.net (no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically changed, every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as part of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or you can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson

"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I can find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can use VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

--

Dave Peterson

I knew avbout the Autocad thing but I did not know about IIRC. Interesting...
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"Dave Peterson" wrote:

I believe that MS licensed VBA to others--IIRC, AutoCad uses VBA, too.

Jim Thomlinson wrote:

Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA is a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this form. In a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under VB.net (no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically changed, every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as part of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or you can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson

"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I can find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can use VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

--

Dave Peterson

IIRC = If I recall correctly.

(Unless, you were making a joke. Please say it was a joke that I didn't get.
Please!!!)



Jim Thomlinson wrote:

I knew avbout the Autocad thing but I did not know about IIRC. Interesting...
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson

"Dave Peterson" wrote:

I believe that MS licensed VBA to others--IIRC, AutoCad uses VBA, too.

Jim Thomlinson wrote:

Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA is a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this form. In a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under VB.net (no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically changed, every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as part of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or you can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson

"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I can find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can use VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

--

Dave Peterson


--

Dave Peterson

I think you were being vicious and trying to set someone up :~{

LOL

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy

"Dave Peterson" wrote in message
...
IIRC = If I recall correctly.

(Unless, you were making a joke. Please say it was a joke that I didn't
get.
Please!!!)



Jim Thomlinson wrote:

I knew avbout the Autocad thing but I did not know about IIRC.
Interesting...
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson

"Dave Peterson" wrote:

I believe that MS licensed VBA to others--IIRC, AutoCad uses VBA, too.

Jim Thomlinson wrote:

Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create
precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA
is a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is
the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are
more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this
form. In a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS
developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source
code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under
VB.net (no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically
changed, every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely
object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as
part of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or
you can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson

"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the
one of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I
can find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I
can use VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

--

Dave Peterson


--

Dave Peterson

Feeling stupid and looking about the same... I just figured something else
uses VBA... How nice for it... Interesting... I think I will just crawl under
a rock now...
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"Dave Peterson" wrote:

IIRC = If I recall correctly.

(Unless, you were making a joke. Please say it was a joke that I didn't get.
Please!!!)



Jim Thomlinson wrote:

I knew avbout the Autocad thing but I did not know about IIRC. Interesting...
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson

"Dave Peterson" wrote:

I believe that MS licensed VBA to others--IIRC, AutoCad uses VBA, too.

Jim Thomlinson wrote:

Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA is a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this form. In a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under VB.net (no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically changed, every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as part of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or you can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson

"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I can find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can use VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

--

Dave Peterson


--

Dave Peterson

You have never heard of the "If I Recall Correctly" product? <g

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy



"Jim Thomlinson" wrote in message
...
I knew avbout the Autocad thing but I did not know about IIRC.
Interesting...
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"Dave Peterson" wrote:

I believe that MS licensed VBA to others--IIRC, AutoCad uses VBA, too.

Jim Thomlinson wrote:

Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create
precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA
is a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are
more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this form.
In a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS
developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source
code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under VB.net
(no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically changed,
every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as
part of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or
you can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson

"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one
of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I
can find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can
use VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

--

Dave Peterson

Were you saying buy VBA as a product and use it as a development
environment?

VBA is a product that developers can use to install a macro language in
their application.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/isv/techno...a/default.aspx

I don't believe it provides the facilities to make a standalone application.
(although it may include classic VB and/or other language, but then why not
just get classic VB ).


--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy

"Dave Peterson" wrote in message
...
I believe that MS licensed VBA to others--IIRC, AutoCad uses VBA, too.

Jim Thomlinson wrote:

Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create
precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA is
a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this form.
In a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS
developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source
code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under VB.net
(no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically changed,
every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as part
of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or you
can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson

"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I can
find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can
use VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

--

Dave Peterson

thank you every body, I made a big discution eeehhh¡¡¡¡¡¡

"Tom Ogilvy" wrote:

Were you saying buy VBA as a product and use it as a development
environment?

VBA is a product that developers can use to install a macro language in
their application.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/isv/techno...a/default.aspx

I don't believe it provides the facilities to make a standalone application.
(although it may include classic VB and/or other language, but then why not
just get classic VB ).


--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy

"Dave Peterson" wrote in message
...
I believe that MS licensed VBA to others--IIRC, AutoCad uses VBA, too.

Jim Thomlinson wrote:

Both VB and VB.net are stand alone applications which can create
precompiled
executable files (don't need Excel or any other program to run). VBA is
a
subset of VB6. It only works in conjuction with Office. VB.Net is the
latestest version of Visual Basic. Essentially it is VB7. There are more
differences between VB6 and VB.net than can be discussed on this form.
In a
nut shell VB.net is designed to work better with the other MS
developement
applications like C# and C++, as they all compile to similar source
code.
This means that VB6 code needs to be modified to complie under VB.net
(no
more changing the option base, error handling is drastically changed,
every
project must have a "Main" procedure...). Also VB.net is truely object
oriented while VB6 is not (a little bit but not completely).

As Tom mentioned VB6 and VB.net can be purchased stand alone or as part
of
the MS Developer Suite (The same way you can purchase just Excel or you
can
purchase the entire office suite).
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson

"filo666" wrote:

Vould someone explainds me what's the difference betwen VB (the one of
office) and VB.net, and if them are different programmes, where I can
find
(buy or download) the .net version, also I'ld like to know if I can
use VB
without oppening any office program (excel, word or acces)
TIA

--

Dave Peterson