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FYI: MSDG not displaying posts; expects duplicates :-(
FYI, the MS Discussion Groups web interface is not displaying postings
again. It appears to be accepting and propagating postings; they are simply not visible using the MSDG interface. So expect to see a lot of duplicate postings :-(. The MSDG interface seems to have broken some time after 2:51am PST today, Jan 9. At least, that is the last posting that I found which can be read using the MSDG interface as well as Google Groups and the MSNews server. I believe this is a problem with the MSDG server, not the MSNews server, because normally it takes 30-40 min for postings through the MSNews server to be readable using the MSDG interface, whereas it typically takes only 1-3 min for postings through the MSDG interface to be readable using the MSDG interface. Ergo, the MSDG interface is not sending new postings first to the MSNews server, then waiting for the MSNews server to propagate them back or otherwise make them accessible to the MSDG server. |
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MSDG not displaying posts; expects duplicates :-(
What's the most effective way to report techinal problems with the MSDG
systems? I resorted to clicking on the Feedback link. But I doubt that that goes to the right people. I believe MVPs have special NGs that they can use to inform MS techs directly. I hope someone will forward the information below. But is there any effective way that us "plebes" can report problems to MSDG techs? ----- original message ----- "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... FYI, the MS Discussion Groups web interface is not displaying postings again. It appears to be accepting and propagating postings; they are simply not visible using the MSDG interface. So expect to see a lot of duplicate postings :-(. The MSDG interface seems to have broken some time after 2:51am PST today, Jan 9. At least, that is the last posting that I found which can be read using the MSDG interface as well as Google Groups and the MSNews server. I believe this is a problem with the MSDG server, not the MSNews server, because normally it takes 30-40 min for postings through the MSNews server to be readable using the MSDG interface, whereas it typically takes only 1-3 min for postings through the MSDG interface to be readable using the MSDG interface. Ergo, the MSDG interface is not sending new postings first to the MSNews server, then waiting for the MSNews server to propagate them back or otherwise make them accessible to the MSDG server. |
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MSDG not displaying posts; expects duplicates :-(
Looks like there's currently a 6-8 hour delay for NNTP posts to appear in
WebNews. This was a regular scenario a few months ago, thought it had been fixed. I'll report it, again! Regards, Peter T "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... FYI, the MS Discussion Groups web interface is not displaying postings again. It appears to be accepting and propagating postings; they are simply not visible using the MSDG interface. So expect to see a lot of duplicate postings :-(. The MSDG interface seems to have broken some time after 2:51am PST today, Jan 9. At least, that is the last posting that I found which can be read using the MSDG interface as well as Google Groups and the MSNews server. I believe this is a problem with the MSDG server, not the MSNews server, because normally it takes 30-40 min for postings through the MSNews server to be readable using the MSDG interface, whereas it typically takes only 1-3 min for postings through the MSDG interface to be readable using the MSDG interface. Ergo, the MSDG interface is not sending new postings first to the MSNews server, then waiting for the MSNews server to propagate them back or otherwise make them accessible to the MSDG server. |
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MSDG not displaying posts; expects duplicates :-(
"Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message
"Peter T" <peter_t@discussions wrote: Looks like there's currently a 6-8 hour delay for NNTP posts to appear in WebNews. That may or may not be the case. There is no way to know. I looked at the most recent NNTP posts visible in WebNews. Then I looked at the next few NNTP posts in my newsreader, these are about 7 hours old and not yet visible in WedNews. That's the basis on which I conclude there is currently a 6-8 hour delay. If there is a delay of 6-8 hours, it is not for "NNTP posts" per se. Instead, it affects all postings. AFAIK there are only two types of postings, NNTP (newservers and numerous web mirrors which in turn post NNTP) and via the MS Webnews interface (there are at least two of these representations of these, I assume though they are one and the same). From what I can make out the WebNews posts arrive both to WebNews and NNTP within a few minutes. NNTP posts get propogated pretty quickly, but with the delay to MS-WebNews. Good. I'm sure everyone would appreciate it. I only hope you will report the problem as I stated it, not your interpretation of it. I simply reported the 6-8 hour delay of NNTP posts becoming visble to WebNews (fwiw similar problems sometimes with delays of many delays occurred through several periods last year). But if you think I've missed something feel free to explain. Regards, Peter T |
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MSDG not displaying posts; expects duplicates :-(
"Peter T" <peter_t@discussions wrote:
I looked at the most recent NNTP posts visible in WebNews. Then I looked at the next few NNTP posts in my newsreader, these are about 7 hours old and not yet visible in WedNews. That's the basis on which I conclude there is currently a 6-8 hour delay. Your observations may or may not be valid. Since you do not provide any specifics, I really do not know what you are looking at, so I cannot vet your statements. Regardless, I believe it has nothing to do with the problem that I am observing, unless you are talking about the same thing, but misinterpreting your observations. As I said before, the simplest problem statement is: messages posted using the MSDG web interface are not readable using the MSDG web interface; however, they are readable using other NG servers. (For the most part, I use msnews.microsoft.com, which I call MSnews. But I did spot-check Google Groups as well.) I could speculate about the root cause; and I could speculate about how that root cause explains why external postings (e.g. through the MSnews and Google Groups servers) are also not readable using the MSDG web interface. But I prefer to simply state the facts, and let IT personnel who are knowledgable about the MSDG architecture figure out the root cause and troubleshoot the problem. Is it merely a delay of some sort? I doubt it; but we cannot know. I can tell you now that it is much longer than the 6-8-hour delay that you say you observed. As of now (1:15am PST on Jan 10), almost 22 hours has elapsed since the following message was posted at 3:20am PST on Jan 9 using the MSDG web interface, and it is still not visible using the MSDG web interface; yet it is readable using the MSnews and Google Groups servers. From: ?B?R2FyeScncyBTdHVkZW50?= Subject: SIMPLE CONCATENATE FUNCTION Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 03:20:01 -0800 Message-ID: Newsgroups: microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions Moreover, the following message, posted at 10:47pm PST on Jan 9 using the MSDG web interface, is the latest one that I find on the MSnews and Google Groups servers in the Excel NGs that I monitor. That demonstrates that the MSDG systems are still pushing new postings to the MSnews server. From: ?B?QXRvbSBPYWtz?= Subject: Need help creating macros Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 22:47:01 -0800 Message-ID: Newsgroups: microsoft.public.excel.newusers By the way, the following message, posted at 3:05am PST on Jan 9 using the MSDG web interface, is the last one in those Excel NGs that __is__ readable using the MSDG web interface as well as the MSnews server and Google Groups. So I think we can say that the problem started some time between 3:05am and 3:20am PST on Jan 9. From: ?B?RHJlYW0=?= Subject: How to create a chart showing ranges of prices of different produc Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 03:06:01 -0800 Message-ID: Newsgroups: microsoft.public.excel.misc I looked at the most recent NNTP posts visible in WebNews. [....] AFAIK there are only two types of postings, NNTP (newservers and numerous web mirrors which in turn post NNTP) and via the MS Webnews interface Don't confuse the communication protocol with archives and user interfaces (applications). First, there are NG archives. I know of three archives for MS NGs: MSnews, MSDG, and Google Groups. MSDG and GG push new articles that they store in their archives to MSnews, and they pull new articles from MSnews. So I would say that those are three sources ("types") of postings. And yes, NNTP is the protocol used for the push to and pull from the MSnews server. Then, there are user interfaces. I know of several: Outlook Express (and Windows Mail), Outlook (I think), the MSDG web interface, and the GG web interface. In the UNIX/Linux world, there is also tin and rtin. OE and some other applications communicate directly with the MSnews server using the NNTP protocol. It is anybody's guess how the MSDG and GG web interfaces communicate with their respective NG archives. But my point is: there is no reason why someone cannot provide a web interface that (actually its web server) communicates directly with the MSnews server using the NNTP protocol. (Indeed, I don't know if thecodecage.com maintains its own NG archive, or if it is simply a web interface to the MSnews server.) That is why I take exception to the bogus distinction "NNTP posts" and postings "via a web interface". Those are not two types of postings, much less the "only two types". ---- original message ----- "Peter T" <peter_t@discussions wrote in message ... "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message "Peter T" <peter_t@discussions wrote: Looks like there's currently a 6-8 hour delay for NNTP posts to appear in WebNews. That may or may not be the case. There is no way to know. I looked at the most recent NNTP posts visible in WebNews. Then I looked at the next few NNTP posts in my newsreader, these are about 7 hours old and not yet visible in WedNews. That's the basis on which I conclude there is currently a 6-8 hour delay. If there is a delay of 6-8 hours, it is not for "NNTP posts" per se. Instead, it affects all postings. AFAIK there are only two types of postings, NNTP (newservers and numerous web mirrors which in turn post NNTP) and via the MS Webnews interface (there are at least two of these representations of these, I assume though they are one and the same). From what I can make out the WebNews posts arrive both to WebNews and NNTP within a few minutes. NNTP posts get propogated pretty quickly, but with the delay to MS-WebNews. Good. I'm sure everyone would appreciate it. I only hope you will report the problem as I stated it, not your interpretation of it. I simply reported the 6-8 hour delay of NNTP posts becoming visble to WebNews (fwiw similar problems sometimes with delays of many delays occurred through several periods last year). But if you think I've missed something feel free to explain. Regards, Peter T |
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MSDG not displaying posts; expects duplicates :-(
"Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message
"Peter T" <peter_t@discussions wrote: I looked at the most recent NNTP posts visible in WebNews. Then I looked at the next few NNTP posts in my newsreader, these are about 7 hours old and not yet visible in WedNews. That's the basis on which I conclude there is currently a 6-8 hour delay. Your observations may or may not be valid. Since you do not provide any specifics, I really do not know what you are looking at, so I cannot vet your statements. Look at the message headers. You are using Outlook Express, select the message, Alt-Enter, Details (or do File / Properties / Details). Regardless, I believe it has nothing to do with the problem that I am observing, unless you are talking about the same thing, but misinterpreting your observations. Looks like I under estimated the problem, it seems WebNews is not working at all at the moment (no new messages in WebNews since I looked just before my previous post here well over 12 hours ago. I haven't had any acknowledgment to the earlier report I made (W/E I guess), but I'll add this latest observation. Regards, Peter T |
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MSDG not displaying posts; expects duplicates :-(
"Peter T" <peter_t@discussions wrote:
Look at the message headers. You are using Outlook Express, select the message, Alt-Enter, Details (or do File / Properties / Details). Y'mean like the headers I have been provided? Just exactly how d'ya thunk I grabbed them? Klunk! Rhetorical questions. It's up to you to justify your claims. I think I have done a thorough job of justifying mine. But I'm not going to waste any more time on you. ----- original message ----- "Peter T" <peter_t@discussions wrote in message ... "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message "Peter T" <peter_t@discussions wrote: I looked at the most recent NNTP posts visible in WebNews. Then I looked at the next few NNTP posts in my newsreader, these are about 7 hours old and not yet visible in WedNews. That's the basis on which I conclude there is currently a 6-8 hour delay. Your observations may or may not be valid. Since you do not provide any specifics, I really do not know what you are looking at, so I cannot vet your statements. Look at the message headers. You are using Outlook Express, select the message, Alt-Enter, Details (or do File / Properties / Details). Regardless, I believe it has nothing to do with the problem that I am observing, unless you are talking about the same thing, but misinterpreting your observations. Looks like I under estimated the problem, it seems WebNews is not working at all at the moment (no new messages in WebNews since I looked just before my previous post here well over 12 hours ago. I haven't had any acknowledgment to the earlier report I made (W/E I guess), but I'll add this latest observation. Regards, Peter T |
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MSDG not displaying posts; expects duplicates :-(
I forgot you gave headers yesterday. But you asked...
Your observations may or may not be valid. Since you do not provide any specifics, I really do not know what you are looking at, so I cannot vet your statements. ... therefore I explained, looking at the headers enables you to vet my statements. I tried to help you, firstly by reporting the issue that seems important to you, then by attempting to explain what I was looking at. You reply with rudeness just because I forgot you know about headers. Regards, Peter T "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... "Peter T" <peter_t@discussions wrote: Look at the message headers. You are using Outlook Express, select the message, Alt-Enter, Details (or do File / Properties / Details). Y'mean like the headers I have been provided? Just exactly how d'ya thunk I grabbed them? Klunk! Rhetorical questions. It's up to you to justify your claims. I think I have done a thorough job of justifying mine. But I'm not going to waste any more time on you. ----- original message ----- "Peter T" <peter_t@discussions wrote in message ... "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message "Peter T" <peter_t@discussions wrote: I looked at the most recent NNTP posts visible in WebNews. Then I looked at the next few NNTP posts in my newsreader, these are about 7 hours old and not yet visible in WedNews. That's the basis on which I conclude there is currently a 6-8 hour delay. Your observations may or may not be valid. Since you do not provide any specifics, I really do not know what you are looking at, so I cannot vet your statements. Look at the message headers. You are using Outlook Express, select the message, Alt-Enter, Details (or do File / Properties / Details). Regardless, I believe it has nothing to do with the problem that I am observing, unless you are talking about the same thing, but misinterpreting your observations. Looks like I under estimated the problem, it seems WebNews is not working at all at the moment (no new messages in WebNews since I looked just before my previous post here well over 12 hours ago. I haven't had any acknowledgment to the earlier report I made (W/E I guess), but I'll add this latest observation. Regards, Peter T |
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MSDG not displaying posts; expects duplicates :-(
"Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message..
"Peter T" <peter_t@discussions wrote: Look at the message headers. You are using Outlook Express, select the message, Alt-Enter, Details (or do File / Properties / Details). Y'mean like the headers I have been provided? Just exactly how d'ya thunk I grabbed them? Klunk! Rhetorical questions. I took your remark at face value, but looking at your previous posts you have not provided the headers as visible if you follow the instructions I gave you. I withdraw my comment "I forgot you gave headers yesterday", I had no way of knowing either way if you knew how to look at the headers. From: "Joe User" <joeu2004 References: Subject: MSDG not displaying posts; expects duplicates :-( Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:09:40 -0800 Lines: 49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-ID: Newsgroups: microsoft.public.excel,microsoft.public.excel.misc ,microsoft.public.excel.newusers,microsoft.public. excel.programming,microsoft.public.excel.worksheet .functions NNTP-Posting-Host: c-24-6-189-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net 24.6.189.80 Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.excel.misc:891076 microsoft.public.excel.newusers:67327 microsoft.public.excel.programming:1106800 microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions:598456 microsoft.public.excel:187912 |
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MSDG not displaying posts; expects duplicates :-(
Web site real time refresh seems to have gone down again about 1200 London
time Tue Jan 12/10. "Peter T" wrote: Looks like there's currently a 6-8 hour delay for NNTP posts to appear in WebNews. This was a regular scenario a few months ago, thought it had been fixed. I'll report it, again! Regards, Peter T "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... FYI, the MS Discussion Groups web interface is not displaying postings again. It appears to be accepting and propagating postings; they are simply not visible using the MSDG interface. So expect to see a lot of duplicate postings :-(. The MSDG interface seems to have broken some time after 2:51am PST today, Jan 9. At least, that is the last posting that I found which can be read using the MSDG interface as well as Google Groups and the MSNews server. I believe this is a problem with the MSDG server, not the MSNews server, because normally it takes 30-40 min for postings through the MSNews server to be readable using the MSDG interface, whereas it typically takes only 1-3 min for postings through the MSDG interface to be readable using the MSDG interface. Ergo, the MSDG interface is not sending new postings first to the MSNews server, then waiting for the MSNews server to propagate them back or otherwise make them accessible to the MSDG server. . |
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