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ColorIndex vs Color?
I have what I think should be a very simple problem but I can't quite puzzle
it out. Basically I want to copy the background color from one arbitrary cell to another arbitrary cell. I want this process to work even if the user has formatted the source cell using a color from a custom color palette. I currently have code that looks more or less like this: If SourceRange.ColorIndex < xlNone Then TargetRange.Interior.ColorIndex = SourceRange.ColorIndex TargetRange.Interior.Color = SourceRange.Color End If Mostly this seems to work OK. However sometimes it fails (that is the wrong background color appears). I think in these cases it because the source range has a custom background color. Source and Target are always in different workbooks so I have a line like this in my code: TargetRange.Parent.Parent.Colors = SourceRange.Parent.Parent.Colors to try to copy the custom color palette from the source workbook into the target workbook. I have to admit I'm fuzzy on difference between the Color and ColorIndex properties. I gather the former is an rgb value and the latter is an index into the palette. Do I need to copy both to get my colors? One? Which one? TIA josh |
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Hi,
There is nothing wrong with the approach you are using, the problem lies in the custom color palette. Excel does not look at the color, it looks at the position of the color on the palette. One alternative would be to add code to set the color palette to the colors you want. This might irritate the users. Excel 2003 supports 56 colors in the spreadsheet and therein lies the problem. 2007 now supports something like 16 million. Here is the code that sets a color using the RGB scale: Sub AddColor() ActiveWorkbook.Colors(27) = RGB(208, 255, 30) End Sub Notice what it does is replace the color at a given position in the palette. This means that where ever the user has used color 27 it will not be this new color. -- Thanks, Shane Devenshire "Josh Sale" wrote: I have what I think should be a very simple problem but I can't quite puzzle it out. Basically I want to copy the background color from one arbitrary cell to another arbitrary cell. I want this process to work even if the user has formatted the source cell using a color from a custom color palette. I currently have code that looks more or less like this: If SourceRange.ColorIndex < xlNone Then TargetRange.Interior.ColorIndex = SourceRange.ColorIndex TargetRange.Interior.Color = SourceRange.Color End If Mostly this seems to work OK. However sometimes it fails (that is the wrong background color appears). I think in these cases it because the source range has a custom background color. Source and Target are always in different workbooks so I have a line like this in my code: TargetRange.Parent.Parent.Colors = SourceRange.Parent.Parent.Colors to try to copy the custom color palette from the source workbook into the target workbook. I have to admit I'm fuzzy on difference between the Color and ColorIndex properties. I gather the former is an rgb value and the latter is an index into the palette. Do I need to copy both to get my colors? One? Which one? TIA josh |
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Also, Conditional Formatted colors will override any normal color formatting. -- Jim Cone Portland, Oregon USA "Josh Sale" wrote in message I have what I think should be a very simple problem but I can't quite puzzle it out. Basically I want to copy the background color from one arbitrary cell to another arbitrary cell. I want this process to work even if the user has formatted the source cell using a color from a custom color palette. I currently have code that looks more or less like this: If SourceRange.ColorIndex < xlNone Then TargetRange.Interior.ColorIndex = SourceRange.ColorIndex TargetRange.Interior.Color = SourceRange.Color End If Mostly this seems to work OK. However sometimes it fails (that is the wrong background color appears). I think in these cases it because the source range has a custom background color. Source and Target are always in different workbooks so I have a line like this in my code: TargetRange.Parent.Parent.Colors = SourceRange.Parent.Parent.Colors to try to copy the custom color palette from the source workbook into the target workbook. I have to admit I'm fuzzy on difference between the Color and ColorIndex properties. I gather the former is an rgb value and the latter is an index into the palette. Do I need to copy both to get my colors? One? Which one? TIA josh |
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ColorIndex vs Color?
And to further clarify the issue, in Excel 2003 and earlier, each workbook
has its own color palette. If you change the colors in one workbook, it affects only that workbook. If the color palette in two workbooks are different, then your code will not have the effects you want. Assigning the color index from workbook A to workbook B merely uses the color in the same position on the palette, whether they are the same or not. Assigning the color from workbook A to workbook B uses the color on the palette of workbook B that Excel decides is closest to the color that is requested. Sometimes it's close, and sometimes it's way off. Only if the palettes are the same will either approach work reliably. You could change the color palette of the target workbook, but that may tick off the owner of the workbook. - Jon ------- Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP Tutorials and Custom Solutions Peltier Technical Services, Inc. - http://PeltierTech.com _______ "ShaneDevenshire" wrote in message ... Hi, There is nothing wrong with the approach you are using, the problem lies in the custom color palette. Excel does not look at the color, it looks at the position of the color on the palette. One alternative would be to add code to set the color palette to the colors you want. This might irritate the users. Excel 2003 supports 56 colors in the spreadsheet and therein lies the problem. 2007 now supports something like 16 million. Here is the code that sets a color using the RGB scale: Sub AddColor() ActiveWorkbook.Colors(27) = RGB(208, 255, 30) End Sub Notice what it does is replace the color at a given position in the palette. This means that where ever the user has used color 27 it will not be this new color. -- Thanks, Shane Devenshire "Josh Sale" wrote: I have what I think should be a very simple problem but I can't quite puzzle it out. Basically I want to copy the background color from one arbitrary cell to another arbitrary cell. I want this process to work even if the user has formatted the source cell using a color from a custom color palette. I currently have code that looks more or less like this: If SourceRange.ColorIndex < xlNone Then TargetRange.Interior.ColorIndex = SourceRange.ColorIndex TargetRange.Interior.Color = SourceRange.Color End If Mostly this seems to work OK. However sometimes it fails (that is the wrong background color appears). I think in these cases it because the source range has a custom background color. Source and Target are always in different workbooks so I have a line like this in my code: TargetRange.Parent.Parent.Colors = SourceRange.Parent.Parent.Colors to try to copy the custom color palette from the source workbook into the target workbook. I have to admit I'm fuzzy on difference between the Color and ColorIndex properties. I gather the former is an rgb value and the latter is an index into the palette. Do I need to copy both to get my colors? One? Which one? TIA josh |
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ColorIndex vs Color?
The conditional colors will appear in the cell, but the cell's color index
will reflect the color disregarding any conditional formatting. - Jon ------- Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP Tutorials and Custom Solutions Peltier Technical Services, Inc. - http://PeltierTech.com _______ "Jim Cone" wrote in message ... Also, Conditional Formatted colors will override any normal color formatting. -- Jim Cone Portland, Oregon USA "Josh Sale" wrote in message I have what I think should be a very simple problem but I can't quite puzzle it out. Basically I want to copy the background color from one arbitrary cell to another arbitrary cell. I want this process to work even if the user has formatted the source cell using a color from a custom color palette. I currently have code that looks more or less like this: If SourceRange.ColorIndex < xlNone Then TargetRange.Interior.ColorIndex = SourceRange.ColorIndex TargetRange.Interior.Color = SourceRange.Color End If Mostly this seems to work OK. However sometimes it fails (that is the wrong background color appears). I think in these cases it because the source range has a custom background color. Source and Target are always in different workbooks so I have a line like this in my code: TargetRange.Parent.Parent.Colors = SourceRange.Parent.Parent.Colors to try to copy the custom color palette from the source workbook into the target workbook. I have to admit I'm fuzzy on difference between the Color and ColorIndex properties. I gather the former is an rgb value and the latter is an index into the palette. Do I need to copy both to get my colors? One? Which one? TIA josh |
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A bit more, you quote "SourceRange.ColorIndex" three times in your code iso
"SourceRange.Interior.ColorIndex". It doesn't look a typo confined to this post and wonder if you are running the under On Error Resume next. That aside, you might get incorrect results, even after copying the palette from the Source wb to the Target wb, if SourceRange contains mixed formats. Either work with SourceRange(1) or if you want more detail dim vClrIdx as Variant vClrIdx = SourceRange.Interior.ColorIndex If IsNull(vClrIdx) then ' mixed formats If you are woriking with the Font you can get mixed formats even within a single cell. vFntClrIdx = SourceRange(1).Font.ColorIndex If IsNull(vClrIdx) then ' mixed formats vFntClrIdx = SourceRange(1).Characters(1,1).Font.ColorIndex Others have clarified what you need to know about palette, colorindex and colors, but just to add - having copied the palette over the once it should be OK to work with only with colorindex. Regards, Peter T "Josh Sale" <jsale@tril dot cod wrote in message ... I have what I think should be a very simple problem but I can't quite puzzle it out. Basically I want to copy the background color from one arbitrary cell to another arbitrary cell. I want this process to work even if the user has formatted the source cell using a color from a custom color palette. I currently have code that looks more or less like this: If SourceRange.ColorIndex < xlNone Then TargetRange.Interior.ColorIndex = SourceRange.ColorIndex TargetRange.Interior.Color = SourceRange.Color End If Mostly this seems to work OK. However sometimes it fails (that is the wrong background color appears). I think in these cases it because the source range has a custom background color. Source and Target are always in different workbooks so I have a line like this in my code: TargetRange.Parent.Parent.Colors = SourceRange.Parent.Parent.Colors to try to copy the custom color palette from the source workbook into the target workbook. I have to admit I'm fuzzy on difference between the Color and ColorIndex properties. I gather the former is an rgb value and the latter is an index into the palette. Do I need to copy both to get my colors? One? Which one? TIA josh |
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ColorIndex vs Color?
Thanks to everybody for their comments and suggestions. Rather than
replying to each individual posting let me try make a general response here. First, thanks for the general explanation of the palette. This helps round out my mental model of how this stuff works and special thanks to Jon for explaining the difference between using .Color vs .ColorIndex (palette position vs "closest" color). Second, let me add a bit more context about what I'm trying to do here. The source workbook just contains formatting information ... its sort of a template. The user can format that workbook to control how various bits of data in the target workbook are formatted. So there is no particular problem in copying the entire palette from the source workbook to the target workbook (which I'm doing with assignment statement from my original posting). Third, I think the user formatted the target workbook under Excel 2007. However the workbook was opened in compatibility mode so it would appear that the palette continues to be limited to 56 colors and not 16m. Fourth, when I test under Excel 2007, the first assignment statement (TargetRange.Interior.Color = SourceRange.Interior.Color) seems to do the right thing (the background color gets a kind of grey color) but the second statement (TargetRange.Interior.ColorIndex = SourceRange.Interior.ColorIndex) messes things up (the background color becomes light yellow). The source interior Color is 14806254 and the source interior ColorIndex is 19 which resolves to 13434879 when looked up in the source palette. Question 1: Wouldn't you expect the value of a cell's background Color to equal that same cell's translated ColorIndex? Fifth, when I test under Excel 2003 I immediately notice that the background color of the cell in the source workbook has the light yellow color (not the grey it had under Excel 2007). If I examine that cell, I find that both its Color and translated ColorIndex are both equal to 13434879. So in this case, it doesn't matter what kind of assignments I make in my code, I'm never going to get the grey and am always going to get the light yellow. Question 2: Given that the source workbook was saved in Excel 2007 in compatibility mode, wouldn't you expect for the cells colors to be more faithfully rendered in Excel 2003? Thanks again for all of the help and suggestions. josh "Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... And to further clarify the issue, in Excel 2003 and earlier, each workbook has its own color palette. If you change the colors in one workbook, it affects only that workbook. If the color palette in two workbooks are different, then your code will not have the effects you want. Assigning the color index from workbook A to workbook B merely uses the color in the same position on the palette, whether they are the same or not. Assigning the color from workbook A to workbook B uses the color on the palette of workbook B that Excel decides is closest to the color that is requested. Sometimes it's close, and sometimes it's way off. Only if the palettes are the same will either approach work reliably. You could change the color palette of the target workbook, but that may tick off the owner of the workbook. - Jon ------- Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP Tutorials and Custom Solutions Peltier Technical Services, Inc. - http://PeltierTech.com _______ "ShaneDevenshire" wrote in message ... Hi, There is nothing wrong with the approach you are using, the problem lies in the custom color palette. Excel does not look at the color, it looks at the position of the color on the palette. One alternative would be to add code to set the color palette to the colors you want. This might irritate the users. Excel 2003 supports 56 colors in the spreadsheet and therein lies the problem. 2007 now supports something like 16 million. Here is the code that sets a color using the RGB scale: Sub AddColor() ActiveWorkbook.Colors(27) = RGB(208, 255, 30) End Sub Notice what it does is replace the color at a given position in the palette. This means that where ever the user has used color 27 it will not be this new color. -- Thanks, Shane Devenshire "Josh Sale" wrote: I have what I think should be a very simple problem but I can't quite puzzle it out. Basically I want to copy the background color from one arbitrary cell to another arbitrary cell. I want this process to work even if the user has formatted the source cell using a color from a custom color palette. I currently have code that looks more or less like this: If SourceRange.ColorIndex < xlNone Then TargetRange.Interior.ColorIndex = SourceRange.ColorIndex TargetRange.Interior.Color = SourceRange.Color End If Mostly this seems to work OK. However sometimes it fails (that is the wrong background color appears). I think in these cases it because the source range has a custom background color. Source and Target are always in different workbooks so I have a line like this in my code: TargetRange.Parent.Parent.Colors = SourceRange.Parent.Parent.Colors to try to copy the custom color palette from the source workbook into the target workbook. I have to admit I'm fuzzy on difference between the Color and ColorIndex properties. I gather the former is an rgb value and the latter is an index into the palette. Do I need to copy both to get my colors? One? Which one? TIA josh |
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Josh -
Let me disabuse you of one notion. The color systems of Excel 2003 and 2007 are completely different and essentially incompatible. Don't assume there's any magic in compatibility mode that will preserve custom colors across versions. Compatibility mode means Excel won't try to put a value into cell IW65537. The Excel 2003 palette has 56 colors. Excel 2007 has a theme with (I think) eight theme-related colors, from which eight sets of shades and tints are available. You also have access to the rest of the 256^3 colors, but unlike palette and theme colors, objects colored by these colors do not all update if you change some kind of global color assignment. Excel 2007 recognizes Excel 2003's palette, after a fashion. If a workbook was assigned a customized palette in 2003, this custom palette is recognized in 2007. However, the palette cannot be changed in 2007 (as far as I can tell), and moving between versions is likely to break color assignments. - Jon ------- Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP Tutorials and Custom Solutions Peltier Technical Services, Inc. - http://PeltierTech.com _______ "Josh Sale" <jsale@tril dot cod wrote in message ... Thanks to everybody for their comments and suggestions. Rather than replying to each individual posting let me try make a general response here. First, thanks for the general explanation of the palette. This helps round out my mental model of how this stuff works and special thanks to Jon for explaining the difference between using .Color vs .ColorIndex (palette position vs "closest" color). Second, let me add a bit more context about what I'm trying to do here. The source workbook just contains formatting information ... its sort of a template. The user can format that workbook to control how various bits of data in the target workbook are formatted. So there is no particular problem in copying the entire palette from the source workbook to the target workbook (which I'm doing with assignment statement from my original posting). Third, I think the user formatted the target workbook under Excel 2007. However the workbook was opened in compatibility mode so it would appear that the palette continues to be limited to 56 colors and not 16m. Fourth, when I test under Excel 2007, the first assignment statement (TargetRange.Interior.Color = SourceRange.Interior.Color) seems to do the right thing (the background color gets a kind of grey color) but the second statement (TargetRange.Interior.ColorIndex = SourceRange.Interior.ColorIndex) messes things up (the background color becomes light yellow). The source interior Color is 14806254 and the source interior ColorIndex is 19 which resolves to 13434879 when looked up in the source palette. Question 1: Wouldn't you expect the value of a cell's background Color to equal that same cell's translated ColorIndex? Fifth, when I test under Excel 2003 I immediately notice that the background color of the cell in the source workbook has the light yellow color (not the grey it had under Excel 2007). If I examine that cell, I find that both its Color and translated ColorIndex are both equal to 13434879. So in this case, it doesn't matter what kind of assignments I make in my code, I'm never going to get the grey and am always going to get the light yellow. Question 2: Given that the source workbook was saved in Excel 2007 in compatibility mode, wouldn't you expect for the cells colors to be more faithfully rendered in Excel 2003? Thanks again for all of the help and suggestions. josh "Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... And to further clarify the issue, in Excel 2003 and earlier, each workbook has its own color palette. If you change the colors in one workbook, it affects only that workbook. If the color palette in two workbooks are different, then your code will not have the effects you want. Assigning the color index from workbook A to workbook B merely uses the color in the same position on the palette, whether they are the same or not. Assigning the color from workbook A to workbook B uses the color on the palette of workbook B that Excel decides is closest to the color that is requested. Sometimes it's close, and sometimes it's way off. Only if the palettes are the same will either approach work reliably. You could change the color palette of the target workbook, but that may tick off the owner of the workbook. - Jon ------- Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP Tutorials and Custom Solutions Peltier Technical Services, Inc. - http://PeltierTech.com _______ "ShaneDevenshire" wrote in message ... Hi, There is nothing wrong with the approach you are using, the problem lies in the custom color palette. Excel does not look at the color, it looks at the position of the color on the palette. One alternative would be to add code to set the color palette to the colors you want. This might irritate the users. Excel 2003 supports 56 colors in the spreadsheet and therein lies the problem. 2007 now supports something like 16 million. Here is the code that sets a color using the RGB scale: Sub AddColor() ActiveWorkbook.Colors(27) = RGB(208, 255, 30) End Sub Notice what it does is replace the color at a given position in the palette. This means that where ever the user has used color 27 it will not be this new color. -- Thanks, Shane Devenshire "Josh Sale" wrote: I have what I think should be a very simple problem but I can't quite puzzle it out. Basically I want to copy the background color from one arbitrary cell to another arbitrary cell. I want this process to work even if the user has formatted the source cell using a color from a custom color palette. I currently have code that looks more or less like this: If SourceRange.ColorIndex < xlNone Then TargetRange.Interior.ColorIndex = SourceRange.ColorIndex TargetRange.Interior.Color = SourceRange.Color End If Mostly this seems to work OK. However sometimes it fails (that is the wrong background color appears). I think in these cases it because the source range has a custom background color. Source and Target are always in different workbooks so I have a line like this in my code: TargetRange.Parent.Parent.Colors = SourceRange.Parent.Parent.Colors to try to copy the custom color palette from the source workbook into the target workbook. I have to admit I'm fuzzy on difference between the Color and ColorIndex properties. I gather the former is an rgb value and the latter is an index into the palette. Do I need to copy both to get my colors? One? Which one? TIA josh |
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Wow!
Not what I expected to hear. Thanks ... even if its bad news! josh "Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... Josh - Let me disabuse you of one notion. The color systems of Excel 2003 and 2007 are completely different and essentially incompatible. Don't assume there's any magic in compatibility mode that will preserve custom colors across versions. Compatibility mode means Excel won't try to put a value into cell IW65537. The Excel 2003 palette has 56 colors. Excel 2007 has a theme with (I think) eight theme-related colors, from which eight sets of shades and tints are available. You also have access to the rest of the 256^3 colors, but unlike palette and theme colors, objects colored by these colors do not all update if you change some kind of global color assignment. Excel 2007 recognizes Excel 2003's palette, after a fashion. If a workbook was assigned a customized palette in 2003, this custom palette is recognized in 2007. However, the palette cannot be changed in 2007 (as far as I can tell), and moving between versions is likely to break color assignments. - Jon ------- Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP Tutorials and Custom Solutions Peltier Technical Services, Inc. - http://PeltierTech.com _______ "Josh Sale" <jsale@tril dot cod wrote in message ... Thanks to everybody for their comments and suggestions. Rather than replying to each individual posting let me try make a general response here. First, thanks for the general explanation of the palette. This helps round out my mental model of how this stuff works and special thanks to Jon for explaining the difference between using .Color vs .ColorIndex (palette position vs "closest" color). Second, let me add a bit more context about what I'm trying to do here. The source workbook just contains formatting information ... its sort of a template. The user can format that workbook to control how various bits of data in the target workbook are formatted. So there is no particular problem in copying the entire palette from the source workbook to the target workbook (which I'm doing with assignment statement from my original posting). Third, I think the user formatted the target workbook under Excel 2007. However the workbook was opened in compatibility mode so it would appear that the palette continues to be limited to 56 colors and not 16m. Fourth, when I test under Excel 2007, the first assignment statement (TargetRange.Interior.Color = SourceRange.Interior.Color) seems to do the right thing (the background color gets a kind of grey color) but the second statement (TargetRange.Interior.ColorIndex = SourceRange.Interior.ColorIndex) messes things up (the background color becomes light yellow). The source interior Color is 14806254 and the source interior ColorIndex is 19 which resolves to 13434879 when looked up in the source palette. Question 1: Wouldn't you expect the value of a cell's background Color to equal that same cell's translated ColorIndex? Fifth, when I test under Excel 2003 I immediately notice that the background color of the cell in the source workbook has the light yellow color (not the grey it had under Excel 2007). If I examine that cell, I find that both its Color and translated ColorIndex are both equal to 13434879. So in this case, it doesn't matter what kind of assignments I make in my code, I'm never going to get the grey and am always going to get the light yellow. Question 2: Given that the source workbook was saved in Excel 2007 in compatibility mode, wouldn't you expect for the cells colors to be more faithfully rendered in Excel 2003? Thanks again for all of the help and suggestions. josh "Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... And to further clarify the issue, in Excel 2003 and earlier, each workbook has its own color palette. If you change the colors in one workbook, it affects only that workbook. If the color palette in two workbooks are different, then your code will not have the effects you want. Assigning the color index from workbook A to workbook B merely uses the color in the same position on the palette, whether they are the same or not. Assigning the color from workbook A to workbook B uses the color on the palette of workbook B that Excel decides is closest to the color that is requested. Sometimes it's close, and sometimes it's way off. Only if the palettes are the same will either approach work reliably. You could change the color palette of the target workbook, but that may tick off the owner of the workbook. - Jon ------- Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP Tutorials and Custom Solutions Peltier Technical Services, Inc. - http://PeltierTech.com _______ "ShaneDevenshire" wrote in message ... Hi, There is nothing wrong with the approach you are using, the problem lies in the custom color palette. Excel does not look at the color, it looks at the position of the color on the palette. One alternative would be to add code to set the color palette to the colors you want. This might irritate the users. Excel 2003 supports 56 colors in the spreadsheet and therein lies the problem. 2007 now supports something like 16 million. Here is the code that sets a color using the RGB scale: Sub AddColor() ActiveWorkbook.Colors(27) = RGB(208, 255, 30) End Sub Notice what it does is replace the color at a given position in the palette. This means that where ever the user has used color 27 it will not be this new color. -- Thanks, Shane Devenshire "Josh Sale" wrote: I have what I think should be a very simple problem but I can't quite puzzle it out. Basically I want to copy the background color from one arbitrary cell to another arbitrary cell. I want this process to work even if the user has formatted the source cell using a color from a custom color palette. I currently have code that looks more or less like this: If SourceRange.ColorIndex < xlNone Then TargetRange.Interior.ColorIndex = SourceRange.ColorIndex TargetRange.Interior.Color = SourceRange.Color End If Mostly this seems to work OK. However sometimes it fails (that is the wrong background color appears). I think in these cases it because the source range has a custom background color. Source and Target are always in different workbooks so I have a line like this in my code: TargetRange.Parent.Parent.Colors = SourceRange.Parent.Parent.Colors to try to copy the custom color palette from the source workbook into the target workbook. I have to admit I'm fuzzy on difference between the Color and ColorIndex properties. I gather the former is an rgb value and the latter is an index into the palette. Do I need to copy both to get my colors? One? Which one? TIA josh |
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