On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:10:03 -0500, "CLR" wrote:

Sorry you took offense to my response Ron, I meant no harm.........but don't
you think that if the answer to the very question that EVERYONE that
purchases the software wants to know is not PERFECTLY CLEAR in the EULA,
then it pretty well points to the fact that the authors don't approve of the
multiple usage

Vaya con Dios,
Chuck, CABGx3





Chuck,

I believe that *simultaneous* usage is made pretty clear when it is allowed.
For example, I have some aircraft flight related software for which the basic
license clearly allows installation on four different computers.

For example:

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A. Individual Use License. Licensee may: (i) load the Software and Data on up
to four (4) computers provided that the Software and Data (a) are not used in
more than one ground-based computer simultaneously, (b) are not used in a
ground-based computer and in an aircraft simultaneously, and (c) are not used
in more than one aircraft simultaneously; (ii) physically transfer the
Software and Data from one computer to another provided that the Software and
Data are installed on no more than four (4) computers at any time; ...
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That's pretty clear to me as a non-lawyer.

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Then there's the EULA for MS Money 2007:

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The software is licensed on a per copy per device basis.

2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.

a. Licensed Device.
The licensed device is the device on which you use the software. You may
install and use one copy of the software on the licensed device.

b. Portable Device.
You may install another copy on a portable device for use by the single primary
user of the licensed device.

c. Network Device.
You may also install one copy on a network device. You may only use that copy
as described in the Remote Access section below.
==================================

What is a portable device? That's not defined. I can pick up and move my
computer. Does that make it portable (so far as the EULA is concerned)? I
don't know. It seems that a reasonable interpretation would include two
computers that I, and only I, use for running this program.
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Then there is the EULA for the OEM version of MS Office, which includes
phraseology that is difficult for me, as a non-lawyer, to parse.

I'm sure it prohibits simultaneous use of the software on two different
computers.

I think it probably prohibits the software from being installed on two
computers at the same time -- but I'm not as sure of that and that uncertainty
is what provoked my question.

It clearly allows the software to be used on a remote computer, by the
licensee, if he uses a remote access technology, but not on the remote and
local computer "at the same time".

This EULA is just not as clear to me as the first two I cited.

There are paragraphs which would seem to prohibit transfer of the software to
*any* other computer even if it is completely removed from the first computer.

For someone who builds his own computers (which I do) and generally reuses at
least something from the previous computer, what exactly does that mean?
Another case? Another motherboard? A different processor? A different video
card? Different Hard drives??

More than five activations?

I am not interested in doing anything illegal. But neither am I interested in
paying out money for software that I am not obliged to. Hence my efforts to
try to understand this EULA in the areas where it applies to me.

My situation is that I will have two different computers, in two different
locations, and I will be the only one using either computer. They will never
be used simultaneously, by me or by anyone else.

There is some software I can clearly, legally, have on both and use
(non-concurrently) on both.

I'd rather ask others who are more experienced at deciphering exactly what this
EULA means in terms of that situation.


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ci*après. Sauf pour tout remboursement au choix du Fabricant et dans la mesure
maximale permise par le droit applicable, même si tout recours n'atteint pas
son but essentiel, VOUS N'AVEZ DROIT À AUCUNS DOMMAGES, NOTAMMENT DES DOMMAGES
INDIRECTS. Les termes de la clause « Exclusion des dommages accessoires,
indirects et de certains autres dommages » sont également intégrés à la
présente garantie limitée. Certains États ou territoires ne permettent pas
l'exclusion ou la limitation des dommages indirects ou accessoires de sorte que
la limitation ou l'exclusion ci*dessus peut ne pas s'appliquer à vous. La
présente garantie limitée vous donne des droits légaux spécifiques. Vous pouvez
avoir d'autres droits qui peuvent varier d'un territoire ou d'un État à un
autre.
VOTRE RECOURS EXCLUSIF. La seule responsabilité du Fabricant et de ses
fournisseurs (y compris MS, Microsoft Corporation (y compris leurs filiales) et
leurs fournisseurs respectifs) et votre recours exclusif pour toute violation
de la présente garantie limitée ou pour toute autre violation du présent
contrat ou pour toute autre responsabilité relative au Logiciel seront, selon
le choix du Fabricant exercé de temps à autre sous réserve du droit applicable,
a) le remboursement du prix payé, le cas échéant, pour le(s) produit(s)
conformément aux politiques de retour du Fabricant, ou b) la réparation ou le
remplacement du Logiciel qui ne respecte pas la présente garantie limitée et
qui est retourné au Fabricant avec le Certificat d'authenticité et une copie de
votre reçu à l'adresse spécifiée par le Fabricant. Vous recevrez la
compensation choisie par le Fabricant, sans frais, sauf que vous êtes
responsable pour toutes dépenses telles que spécifiées dans la documentation du
Fabricant concernant les recours en cas de garantie. La présente garantie
limitée est nulle si la défectuosité du Logiciel est causée par un accident, un
usage abusif, une mauvaise application, un usage anormal ou un virus. Tout
Logiciel de remplacement sera garanti pour le reste de la période initiale de
la garantie ou pendant trente (30) jours, selon la plus longue entre ces deux
périodes, et le Fabricant utilisera des efforts commercialement raisonnables
pour vous fournir la compensation choisie dans un délai commercialement
raisonnable après que vous vous soyez conformé aux procédures du Fabricant
concernant les recours en cas de garantie.
DÉNI DE GARANTIES. La garantie limitée qui apparaît ci-dessus constitue la
seule garantie expresse qui vous est donnée et remplace toutes autres garanties
expresses ou obligations similaires (s'il en est) créées par une publicité, un
document, un emballage ou une autre communication. Sauf en ce qui a trait à la
garantie limitée et dans la mesure maximale permise par le droit applicable, le
Fabricant et ses fournisseurs (y compris MS, Microsoft Corporation (y compris
leurs filiales) et leurs fournisseurs respectifs) fournissent le Logiciel et
les services de soutien technique (le cas échéant) TELS QUELS ET AVEC TOUS LES
DÉFAUTS et par les présentes ils dénient toutes autres garanties et conditions,
expresses, implicites ou en vertu de la loi, notamment, mais sans limitation,
(le cas échéant) les garanties, devoirs ou conditions implicites de qualité
marchande, d'adaptation à une fin particulière, de fiabilité ou de
disponibilité, d'exactitude ou d'exhaustivité des réponses, des résultats, des
efforts déployés selon les règles de l'art, d'absence de virus et d'absence de
négligence, le tout à l'égard du Logiciel et de la prestation ou de l'omission
de la prestation des services de soutien technique ou autres services,
renseignements, logiciels et contenu qui s'y rapporte grce au Logiciel ou
provenant autrement de l'utilisation du Logiciel. PAR AILLEURS, IL N'Y A AUCUNE
GARANTIE OU CONDITION QUANT AU TITRE DE PROPRIÉTÉ, À LA JOUISSANCE OU À LA
POSSESSION PAISIBLE, À LA CONCORDANCE À UNE DESCRIPTION NI QUANT À UNE ABSENCE
DE CONTREFAÇON CONCERNANT LE LOGICIEL.
EXCLUSION DES DOMMAGES ACCESSOIRES, INDIRECTS ET DE CERTAINS AUTRES DOMMAGES.
DANS LA MESURE MAXIMALE PERMISE PAR LE DROIT APPLICABLE, EN AUCUN CAS LE
FABRICANT OU SES FOURNISSEURS (Y COMPRIS MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION (Y COMPRIS
LEURS FILIALES) ET LEURS FOURNISSEURS RESPECTIFS) NE SERONT RESPONSABLES DES
DOMMAGES SPÉCIAUX, INCIDENTS, PUNITIFS, INDIRECTS OU ACCESSOIRES DE QUELQUE
NATURE QUE CE SOIT (Y COMPRIS, MAIS SANS LIMITATION, LES DOMMAGES POUR PERTE DE
PROFIT OU POUR PERTE DE RENSEIGNEMENTS, CONFIDENTIELS OU AUTRES, POUR
L'INTERRUPTION DES ACTIVITÉS, POUR BLESSURES CORPORELLES, VIOLATION DE LA VIE
PRIVÉE, OMISSION DE REMPLIR TOUT DEVOIR DE BONNE FOI OU DE SOIN RAISONNABLE,
POUR NÉGLIGENCE OU POUR TOUTE AUTRE PERTE PÉCUNIAIRE OU AUTRE PERTE DE QUELQUE
NATURE QUE CE SOIT) SE RAPPORTANT DE QUELQUE MANIÈRE QUE CE SOIT À
L'UTILISATION DU LOGICIEL OU À L'INCAPACITÉ DE S'EN SERVIR, À LA FOURNITURE OU
À L'OMISSION DE FOURNIR DES SERVICES DE SOUTIEN TECHNIQUE OU AUTRES SERVICES,
DES RENSEIGNEMENTS, LOGICIELS ET CONTENU QUI S'Y RAPPORTE GRÂCE AU LOGICIEL OU
AUTREMENT EN VERTU DES TERMES DE TOUTE DISPOSITION DU PRÉSENT CONTRAT OU
RELATIVEMENT À UNE TELLE DISPOSITION, MÊME EN CAS DE FAUTE, DE DÉLIT CIVIL (Y
COMPRIS LA NÉGLIGENCE), DE FAUSSE REPRÉSENTATION, DE RESPONSABILITÉ STRICTE, DE
VIOLATION DE CONTRAT OU DE VIOLATION DE GARANTIE DU FABRICANT OU DE TOUT
FOURNISSEUR (Y COMPRIS MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION (Y COMPRIS LEURS FILIALES) ET
LEURS FOURNISSEURS RESPECTIFS), ET CE, MÊME SI LE FABRICANT OU TOUT FOURNISSEUR
(Y COMPRIS MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION (Y COMPRIS LEURS FILIALES) ET LEURS
FOURNISSEURS RESPECTIFS) A ÉTÉ AVISÉ DE LA POSSIBILITÉ DE TELS DOMMAGES.
LIMITATION DE RESPONSABILITÉ ET RECOURS. MALGRÉ LES DOMMAGES QUE VOUS PUISSIEZ
SUBIR POUR QUELQUE MOTIF QUE CE SOIT (Y COMPRIS NOTAMMENT, MAIS SANS
LIMITATION, TOUS LES DOMMAGES SUSMENTIONNÉS ET TOUS LES DOMMAGES DIRECTS OU
GÉNÉRAUX, CONTRACTUELS OU AUTRES), LA SEULE RESPONSABILITÉ DU FABRICANT ET DE
L'UN DE SES FOURNISSEURS (Y COMPRIS MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION (Y COMPRIS LEURS
FILIALES) ET LEURS FOURNISSEURS RESPECTIFS) AUX TERMES DE TOUTE DISPOSITION DU
PRÉSENT CONTRAT ET VOTRE RECOURS EXCLUSIF EN VERTU DES PRÉSENTES (SAUF EN CE
QUI CONCERNE TOUT RECOURS DE RÉPARATION OU DE REMPLACEMENT CHOISI PAR LE
FABRICANT À L'ÉGARD DE TOUT MANQUEMENT À LA GARANTIE LIMITÉE) SE LIMITE AU PLUS
ÉLEVÉ DES DOMMAGES RÉELS QUE VOUS AVEZ SUBIS EN VOUS FIANT RAISONNABLEMENT SUR
LE LOGICIEL JUSQU'À CONCURRENCE DU MONTANT QUE VOUS AVEZ RÉELLEMENT PAYÉ POUR
LE LOGICIEL OU 5,00 $US. LES LIMITES, EXCLUSIONS ET DÉNIS QUI PRÉCÈDENT (Y
COMPRIS LES CLAUSES CI-DESSUS) S'APPLIQUENT DANS LA MESURE MAXIMALE PERMISE PAR
LE DROIT APPLICABLE, MÊME SI TOUT RECOURS N'ATTEINT PAS SON BUT ESSENTIEL.
À moins que cela ne soit prohibé par le droit local applicable, le présent
contrat est régi par les lois en vigueur dans la province d'Ontario, Canada.
En cas de tout différend qui pourrait surgir en vertu des présentes, vous
consentez à la juridiction des tribunaux fédéraux et provinciaux siégeant à
Toronto, dans la province d'Ontario.


The following Manufacturer's GUARANTEE applies to you if you acquired this
Software in any other country:

Statutory rights not affected - The following guarantee is not restricted to
any territory and does not affect any statutory rights that you may have from
your reseller or from Manufacturer if you acquired the Software directly from
Manufacturer. If you acquired the Software or any support services in
Australia, New Zealand or Malaysia, please see the "Consumer rights" section
below.

The guarantee - The Software is designed and offered as general-purpose
software, not for any user's particular purpose. You accept that no Software
is error free and you are strongly advised to back-up your files regularly.
Provided that you have a valid license, Manufacturer guarantees that (a) for a
period of ninety (90) days from the date of receipt of your license to use the
Software or the shortest period permitted by applicable law it will perform
substantially in accordance with the materials that accompany the Software; and
(b) any support services provided by Manufacturer shall be substantially as
described in applicable materials provided to you by Manufacturer. In the
event that the Software fails to comply with this guarantee, Manufacturer will
either (a) repair or replace the Software or (b) return the amount you paid (if
any) for the product(s) in accordance with Manufacturer's return policies.
This guarantee is void if failure of the Software results from accident, abuse
or misapplication. Any replacement Software will be guaranteed for the
remainder of the original guarantee period or thirty (30) days, whichever
period is longer. You agree that the above guarantee is your sole guarantee in
relation to the Software and any support services.

Exclusion of All Other Terms - To the maximum extent permitted by applicable
law and subject to the guarantee above, Manufacturer and its suppliers
(including MS, Microsoft Corporation (including their subsidiaries) and their
respective suppliers) disclaim all warranties, conditions and other terms,
either express or implied (whether by statute, common law, collaterally or
otherwise) including but not limited to implied warranties of satisfactory
quality and fitness for particular purpose with respect to the Software and the
written materials that accompany the Software. Any implied warranties that
cannot be excluded are limited to ninety (90) days or to the shortest period
permitted by applicable law, whichever is greater.

Limitation of Liability - To the maximum extent permitted by applicable law and
except as provided in the Manufacturer Guarantee, Manufacturer and its
suppliers (including MS, Microsoft Corporation (including their subsidiaries)
and their respective suppliers) shall not be liable for any damages whatsoever
(including without limitation, damages for loss of business profits, business
interruption, loss of business information or other pecuniary loss) arising out
of the use or inability to use the Software, even if Manufacturer and its
suppliers (including MS, Microsoft Corporation (including their subsidiaries)
and their respective suppliers) have been advised of the possibility of such
damages. In any case Manufacturer's and any of its suppliers' (including MS',
Microsoft Corporation's (including their subsidiaries') and their respective
suppliers') entire liability under any provision of this EULA shall be limited
to the amount actually paid by you for the Software. These limitations do not
apply to any liabilities that cannot be excluded or limited by applicable laws.

Consumer rights - Consumers in Australia, New Zealand or Malaysia may have the
benefit of certain rights and remedies by reason of the Trade Practices Act and
similar state and territory laws in Australia, the Consumer Guarantees Act in
New Zealand and the Consumer Protection Act in Malaysia in respect of which
liability cannot lawfully be modified or excluded. If you acquired the
Software in New Zealand for the purposes of a business, you confirm that the
Consumer Guarantees Act does not apply. If you acquired the Software in
Australia and if Manufacturer breaches a condition or warranty implied under
any law which cannot lawfully be modified or excluded by this agreement then,
to the extent permitted by law, Manufacturer's and any of its suppliers'
(including MS', Microsoft Corporation's (including their subsidiaries') and
their respective suppliers') liability is limited, at Manufacturer's option,
to: (i) in the case of the Softwa (a) repairing or replacing the Software;
or (b) the cost of such repair or replacement; and (ii) in the case of support
services, if any: (a) re-supply of the services; or (b) the cost of having the
services supplied again.


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