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Please add this function which may be used either for a vector set of data or
for a 2 dimensional array of data. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...et.f unctions |
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Bernard Liengme wrote...
You have SLOPE, INTERCEPT and LINEST, making an interpolation is rather easy from there. .... LINEST would be gross overkill. Besides, FORECAST and TREND would be far easier than any of these. The problem is that using it to interpolate in a table (TBL) for a value (v) involves expressions like TREND(OFFSET(TBL,MATCH(v,INDEX(TBL,0,XvalCol)),Yva lCol-1,2,1), OFFSET(TBL,MATCH(v,INDEX(TBL,0,XvalCol)),XvalCol-1,2,1),v) You may like these, but they are a bit long. When they're general like this, they eat 3 levels of nested function calls. A simpler approach would be handy, but I suspect we won't see it in Excel until a few months after Hell organizes an Ice Hockey league. |
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![]() I would agree with the OP on this one. LINEST etc. are curve fitting functions, not interpolating functions. Sometimes when you have a table of data, it is easier/preferable to approximate the function as a series of straight lines connecting the data points (similar to what a line chart/XY chart does) rather than attempt to fit the data to a curve. -- MrShorty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrShorty's Profile: http://www.excelforum.com/member.php...o&userid=22181 View this thread: http://www.excelforum.com/showthread...hreadid=399062 |
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Which you can do with LINEST etc. or more directly with TREND or
FORECAST by including just the relevant surrounding points (instead of the entire data set) for a given interpolation. Jerry MrShorty wrote: I would agree with the OP on this one. LINEST etc. are curve fitting functions, not interpolating functions. Sometimes when you have a table of data, it is easier/preferable to approximate the function as a series of straight lines connecting the data points (similar to what a line chart/XY chart does) rather than attempt to fit the data to a curve. |
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![]() Correct you can use the built in functions for interpolation easily enough, once you've located the interval containing the desired value. And if you have a small dataset and/or only need to perform the interpolation a few time, manually searching through the dataset for the interval wouldn't be a problem. On the other hand, if you have a large dataset or need to perform several interpolations, manually searching for the interval and adjusting formulas accordingly gets tedious. As Harlan points out, composing a formula to search for the interval then interpolate is not a "pretty" formula. I wanted an interpolate function when I converted to Excel from Quattro Pro (which had a built in interpolation function), so I wrote a UDF, but it would be nice if Microsoft would include it as a built in function. Jerry W. Lewis Wrote: Which you can do with LINEST etc. or more directly with TREND or FORECAST by including just the relevant surrounding points (instead of the entire data set) for a given interpolation. Jerry MrShorty wrote: I would agree with the OP on this one. LINEST etc. are curve fitting functions, not interpolating functions. Sometimes when you have a table of data, it is easier/preferable to approximate the function as a series of straight lines connecting the data points (similar to what a line chart/XY chart does) rather than attempt to fit the data to a curve. -- MrShorty ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrShorty's Profile: http://www.excelforum.com/member.php...o&userid=22181 View this thread: http://www.excelforum.com/showthread...hreadid=399062 |
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As nice as it would be for MS to meet every need for every function
from every customer, XL is flexible enough to allow one to add new capabilities. For a few options for piecewise linear interpolation, see a discussion "Graph look up" in .excel.charting. You can search the google.com archives of the XL newsgroups for a post by Dave Braden for code based on cubic splines and visit www.xlrotor.com for code based on Bezier curves. -- Regards, Tushar Mehta www.tushar-mehta.com Excel, PowerPoint, and VBA add-ins, tutorials Custom MS Office productivity solutions In article , =?Utf- 8?B?RGFuIEdhdXRoaWVy?= <Dan says... Please add this function which may be used either for a vector set of data or for a 2 dimensional array of data. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...et.f unctions |
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Tushar Mehta wrote...
As nice as it would be for MS to meet every need for every function from every customer, XL is flexible enough to allow one to add new capabilities. The logical implications of this argument are that because Excel is extensible in terms of functions, Microsoft need never add another. As for meeting needs, when was the last time anyone who uses Excel regularly needed any of the 3 Bessel functions? And for those who do need Bessel functions, it would have been nice if Microsoft had allowed for fractional parameters. Linear interpolation is a commonly needed bit of functionality. Not, it'd seem, as frequently requested as summing cells by color or font attributes, but much more common than finding solutions to cylindrical harmonics. It'd be good for Microsoft to add some built-in functions to Excel. But, if you're going to be an absolutist about this (denying the need or usefullness of any more functions), perhaps we could discuss new capabilities that would make Excel *MORE* *CONSISTENT*. Top of my list would be rewriting the formula parser (which probably hasn't been touched since Excel 4) to accept nested function calls more than 7 levels deep. As I've pointed out several times, Excel has no trouble calculating such formulas, but it won't allow them to be created or edited. How can they be? They can be created by other, non-Microsoft spreadsheets, saved in .XLS format (so the file format in addition to the recalc engine isn't the problem here), and opened in Excel. Would that be a useful new feature? For a few options for piecewise linear interpolation, see a discussion "Graph look up" in .excel.charting. You can search the google.com archives of the XL newsgroups for a post by Dave Braden for code based on cubic splines and visit www.xlrotor.com for code based on Bezier curves. Of course there are ways to do it. It's just that they're bulky and nonintuitive. There are ways to calculate depreciation using only the arithmetic functions and lots of cells for intermediate calculations. Why does Excel include DB, DDB, SLN, SYD and VDB functions? Your argument is flawed. |
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My internal reaction to Tushar's smug answer on this HUGE oversight with
Excel is much closer to indignation than Harlan's answer. This function would be useful to businessmen, engineers and scientists across the spectrum. Shame on the Excel managers for screwing up on this one. Apparently they've lost touch. Too bad the competition isn't stronger to shake them up a little bit. "Tushar Mehta" wrote: As nice as it would be for MS to meet every need for every function from every customer, XL is flexible enough to allow one to add new capabilities. For a few options for piecewise linear interpolation, see a discussion "Graph look up" in .excel.charting. You can search the google.com archives of the XL newsgroups for a post by Dave Braden for code based on cubic splines and visit www.xlrotor.com for code based on Bezier curves. -- Regards, Tushar Mehta www.tushar-mehta.com Excel, PowerPoint, and VBA add-ins, tutorials Custom MS Office productivity solutions In article , =?Utf- 8?B?RGFuIEdhdXRoaWVy?= <Dan says... Please add this function which may be used either for a vector set of data or for a 2 dimensional array of data. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...et.f unctions |
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tskoglund wrote...
.... Shame on the Excel managers for screwing up on this one. Apparently they've lost touch. Too bad the competition isn't stronger to shake them up a little bit. .... Never, ever accuse Microsoft of losing touch until you see their revenues decline quarter-to-quarter for a full year. Microsoft does what it needs to do AND NO MORE in order to keep the revenues flowing. The history of the last two Office 'upgrades', at least from the Excel perspective, is that they don't need to do much to get companies and individuals to upgrade. It'd be irrational for them to do more. The irrational parties are anyone who upgraded from Office 2000. You're absolutely right about the benefits of competition. The only good news here is that Microsoft did such a good job with its older versions compared to the dearth of new/interesting features in the the two latest versions that they do face competition . . . from their own older versions. You want to make Microsoft actually WORK for their money? Don't upgrade to Office 2006, especially if it requires an OS upgrade to do so. |
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I wish it were that simple. But Office is a virtual monopoly, and the
legions of employess that work for organizations that standardize on it have no vote. I suppose the executives are "in touch" if the company remains profitable, but the out-of-touchTushar Mehta's of Microsoft are giving me tremendous encouragement to support and buy alternative products at least for home use. How hard can it be to add an INTERPOLATE function? 2 hours of programming time maybe? At any rate, thanks for your humbling rebuttal to Tushar. "Harlan Grove" wrote: tskoglund wrote... .... Shame on the Excel managers for screwing up on this one. Apparently they've lost touch. Too bad the competition isn't stronger to shake them up a little bit. .... Never, ever accuse Microsoft of losing touch until you see their revenues decline quarter-to-quarter for a full year. Microsoft does what it needs to do AND NO MORE in order to keep the revenues flowing. The history of the last two Office 'upgrades', at least from the Excel perspective, is that they don't need to do much to get companies and individuals to upgrade. It'd be irrational for them to do more. The irrational parties are anyone who upgraded from Office 2000. You're absolutely right about the benefits of competition. The only good news here is that Microsoft did such a good job with its older versions compared to the dearth of new/interesting features in the the two latest versions that they do face competition . . . from their own older versions. You want to make Microsoft actually WORK for their money? Don't upgrade to Office 2006, especially if it requires an OS upgrade to do so. |
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All politics and tirades about Microsoft's practices and market share aside:
As an engineer I frequently use tabular data from various published references. Now I could develop a UDF for the original differential equation from which the tabular data was created. (Then why did I buy the book?) Or I could use SLOPE, LINEST and so forth as discussed in some of the notes above in this thread. (But working out those nested formulae would take ten times as long as doing it by hand on a piece of scratch paper.) Or I could (and did) write my own UDF to do a simple linear interpolation between two data points, something like =MYINTERPOLATE(Y-Data,X-Data,X-Point). But by far the easiest way for me would be if it already existed as a standard function available with Excel. I must confess, I really like Excel; it has tremendous capabilities and has taken me way beyond where I could go, back in the bad old days of sliderules. And I think the guys that built in all its features and functions have done an amazing job. They thought of solutions to problems I haven't even imagined yet. It just surprises me that not only did they miss this obvious winner, but seem to want to argue about how it is not worth doing. We seem to be forgetting that the fundamental purpose of this tremendous spreadsheet program is to provide an EXCEL-lent tool for scientists, engineers, business managers and the like to use in the execution of their business. Making widgets or whatever. We engineers and business managers do not simply exist to provide a market for a software company. A lesson I've learned from over 25 years of marriage: RECOGNIZE THE CORRECT ANSWER WHEN TOLD! Excel should have an easy-to-use interpolate function. And while they're at it, how about making it easy to categorize your own UDFs and have them available from a master file of some sort? It would be great to be able to cluster the many complex UDFs I've written into groupings like "Steam Formulae", "Combustion Formulae", and so on without having to go through the relatively painful process it now requires to accomplish such a goal. And be able to call them up even if the original worksheet where I created them is not currently open. Can it be done now? Yes. Is it easy? No. Please . . . make it easy. Keep up the good work. Make it better. Mark "tskoglund" wrote: I wish it were that simple. But Office is a virtual monopoly, and the legions of employess that work for organizations that standardize on it have no vote. I suppose the executives are "in touch" if the company remains profitable, but the out-of-touchTushar Mehta's of Microsoft are giving me tremendous encouragement to support and buy alternative products at least for home use. How hard can it be to add an INTERPOLATE function? 2 hours of programming time maybe? At any rate, thanks for your humbling rebuttal to Tushar. "Harlan Grove" wrote: tskoglund wrote... .... Shame on the Excel managers for screwing up on this one. Apparently they've lost touch. Too bad the competition isn't stronger to shake them up a little bit. .... Never, ever accuse Microsoft of losing touch until you see their revenues decline quarter-to-quarter for a full year. Microsoft does what it needs to do AND NO MORE in order to keep the revenues flowing. The history of the last two Office 'upgrades', at least from the Excel perspective, is that they don't need to do much to get companies and individuals to upgrade. It'd be irrational for them to do more. The irrational parties are anyone who upgraded from Office 2000. You're absolutely right about the benefits of competition. The only good news here is that Microsoft did such a good job with its older versions compared to the dearth of new/interesting features in the the two latest versions that they do face competition . . . from their own older versions. You want to make Microsoft actually WORK for their money? Don't upgrade to Office 2006, especially if it requires an OS upgrade to do so. |
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Hi Yes, FAO the Excel development team:
Excel would greatly benefit from an interpolate function with inputs similar to the trend function. Often I have known X and Y values, and a new set of X values for which I would like to interpolate corresponding Y values. The original Y values are rarely linear and form all sorts of complex lines when graphed. Trend therefore isn't suitable for this. Currently, I have to use a substantial and impractical formula to manually linearly interpolate new Y values, and when this is applied to many y-value sets, it quickly becomes impractically cumbersome to use Excel. An in-built interpolate function would fix this. Other software, I am told, does support this feature and its ommission in Excel is all too apparent. Thanks. "Dan Gauthier" wrote: Please add this function which may be used either for a vector set of data or for a 2 dimensional array of data. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...et.f unctions |
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Have you looked at the FORECAST function ?
-- David Biddulph "L8Chris" wrote in message ... Hi Yes, FAO the Excel development team: Excel would greatly benefit from an interpolate function with inputs similar to the trend function. Often I have known X and Y values, and a new set of X values for which I would like to interpolate corresponding Y values. The original Y values are rarely linear and form all sorts of complex lines when graphed. Trend therefore isn't suitable for this. Currently, I have to use a substantial and impractical formula to manually linearly interpolate new Y values, and when this is applied to many y-value sets, it quickly becomes impractically cumbersome to use Excel. An in-built interpolate function would fix this. Other software, I am told, does support this feature and its ommission in Excel is all too apparent. Thanks. "Dan Gauthier" wrote: Please add this function which may be used either for a vector set of data or for a 2 dimensional array of data. ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...et.f unctions |
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