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Odd Concatenate problem.
Running XP Pro with Office 2003 pro upto SP2.
=CONCATENATE(C6-D6," ans") Where C6 is 8.2 and D6 is 8.1 The answer I get is 0.0999999999999996 ans. Extending the range of numbers I get: - 1.2 1.1 0.0999999999999999 ans 2.2 2.1 0.1 ans 3.2 3.1 0.1 ans 4.2 4.1 0.100000000000001 ans 5.2 5.1 0.100000000000001 ans 6.2 6.1 0.100000000000001 ans 7.2 7.1 0.100000000000001 ans 8.2 8.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 9.2 9.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 10.2 10.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 11.2 11.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 12.2 12.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 13.2 13.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 14.2 14.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 15.2 15.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 16.2 16.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 17.2 17.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 18.2 18.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 19.2 19.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 20.2 20.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 21.2 21.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 22.2 22.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 23.2 23.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 24.2 24.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 25.2 25.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 26.2 26.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 27.2 27.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 28.2 28.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 29.2 29.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 30.2 30.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 31.2 31.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 32.2 32.1 0.100000000000001 ans 33.2 33.1 0.100000000000001 ans 34.2 34.1 0.100000000000001 ans 35.2 35.1 0.100000000000001 ans 36.2 36.1 0.100000000000001 ans This is very odd. Any Ideas? Only two of the above are correct, but of couse all of them should read 0.1 |
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Odd Concatenate problem.
This is a simple rounding issue. Use the ROUND() function if you only want
one decimal place. -- Gary''s Student - gsnu200761 "Paul" wrote: Running XP Pro with Office 2003 pro upto SP2. =CONCATENATE(C6-D6," ans") Where C6 is 8.2 and D6 is 8.1 The answer I get is 0.0999999999999996 ans. Extending the range of numbers I get: - 1.2 1.1 0.0999999999999999 ans 2.2 2.1 0.1 ans 3.2 3.1 0.1 ans 4.2 4.1 0.100000000000001 ans 5.2 5.1 0.100000000000001 ans 6.2 6.1 0.100000000000001 ans 7.2 7.1 0.100000000000001 ans 8.2 8.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 9.2 9.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 10.2 10.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 11.2 11.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 12.2 12.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 13.2 13.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 14.2 14.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 15.2 15.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 16.2 16.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 17.2 17.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 18.2 18.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 19.2 19.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 20.2 20.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 21.2 21.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 22.2 22.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 23.2 23.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 24.2 24.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 25.2 25.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 26.2 26.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 27.2 27.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 28.2 28.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 29.2 29.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 30.2 30.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 31.2 31.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 32.2 32.1 0.100000000000001 ans 33.2 33.1 0.100000000000001 ans 34.2 34.1 0.100000000000001 ans 35.2 35.1 0.100000000000001 ans 36.2 36.1 0.100000000000001 ans This is very odd. Any Ideas? Only two of the above are correct, but of couse all of them should read 0.1 |
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Odd Concatenate problem.
Thanks Gary, but 8.2 less 8.1 is 0.1 in any mathematics. No rounding required.
I'm familiar with the rounding issues in concatenate, but this is a weird problem. "Gary''s Student" wrote: This is a simple rounding issue. Use the ROUND() function if you only want one decimal place. -- Gary''s Student - gsnu200761 "Paul" wrote: Running XP Pro with Office 2003 pro upto SP2. =CONCATENATE(C6-D6," ans") Where C6 is 8.2 and D6 is 8.1 The answer I get is 0.0999999999999996 ans. Extending the range of numbers I get: - 1.2 1.1 0.0999999999999999 ans 2.2 2.1 0.1 ans 3.2 3.1 0.1 ans 4.2 4.1 0.100000000000001 ans 5.2 5.1 0.100000000000001 ans 6.2 6.1 0.100000000000001 ans 7.2 7.1 0.100000000000001 ans 8.2 8.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 9.2 9.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 10.2 10.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 11.2 11.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 12.2 12.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 13.2 13.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 14.2 14.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 15.2 15.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 16.2 16.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 17.2 17.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 18.2 18.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 19.2 19.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 20.2 20.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 21.2 21.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 22.2 22.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 23.2 23.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 24.2 24.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 25.2 25.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 26.2 26.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 27.2 27.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 28.2 28.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 29.2 29.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 30.2 30.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 31.2 31.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 32.2 32.1 0.100000000000001 ans 33.2 33.1 0.100000000000001 ans 34.2 34.1 0.100000000000001 ans 35.2 35.1 0.100000000000001 ans 36.2 36.1 0.100000000000001 ans This is very odd. Any Ideas? Only two of the above are correct, but of couse all of them should read 0.1 |
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Odd Concatenate problem.
So how do you include ROUND in the formula to achieve what Paul is expecting?
"Gary''s Student" wrote: This is a simple rounding issue. Use the ROUND() function if you only want one decimal place. -- Gary''s Student - gsnu200761 "Paul" wrote: Running XP Pro with Office 2003 pro upto SP2. =CONCATENATE(C6-D6," ans") Where C6 is 8.2 and D6 is 8.1 The answer I get is 0.0999999999999996 ans. Extending the range of numbers I get: - 1.2 1.1 0.0999999999999999 ans 2.2 2.1 0.1 ans 3.2 3.1 0.1 ans 4.2 4.1 0.100000000000001 ans 5.2 5.1 0.100000000000001 ans 6.2 6.1 0.100000000000001 ans 7.2 7.1 0.100000000000001 ans 8.2 8.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 9.2 9.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 10.2 10.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 11.2 11.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 12.2 12.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 13.2 13.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 14.2 14.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 15.2 15.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 16.2 16.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 17.2 17.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 18.2 18.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 19.2 19.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 20.2 20.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 21.2 21.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 22.2 22.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 23.2 23.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 24.2 24.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 25.2 25.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 26.2 26.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 27.2 27.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 28.2 28.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 29.2 29.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 30.2 30.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 31.2 31.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 32.2 32.1 0.100000000000001 ans 33.2 33.1 0.100000000000001 ans 34.2 34.1 0.100000000000001 ans 35.2 35.1 0.100000000000001 ans 36.2 36.1 0.100000000000001 ans This is very odd. Any Ideas? Only two of the above are correct, but of couse all of them should read 0.1 |
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Odd Concatenate problem.
And what makes the second and third pairs different from all the rest?
"TRYING" wrote: So how do you include ROUND in the formula to achieve what Paul is expecting? "Gary''s Student" wrote: This is a simple rounding issue. Use the ROUND() function if you only want one decimal place. -- Gary''s Student - gsnu200761 "Paul" wrote: Running XP Pro with Office 2003 pro upto SP2. =CONCATENATE(C6-D6," ans") Where C6 is 8.2 and D6 is 8.1 The answer I get is 0.0999999999999996 ans. Extending the range of numbers I get: - 1.2 1.1 0.0999999999999999 ans 2.2 2.1 0.1 ans 3.2 3.1 0.1 ans 4.2 4.1 0.100000000000001 ans 5.2 5.1 0.100000000000001 ans 6.2 6.1 0.100000000000001 ans 7.2 7.1 0.100000000000001 ans 8.2 8.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 9.2 9.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 10.2 10.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 11.2 11.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 12.2 12.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 13.2 13.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 14.2 14.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 15.2 15.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 16.2 16.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 17.2 17.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 18.2 18.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 19.2 19.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 20.2 20.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 21.2 21.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 22.2 22.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 23.2 23.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 24.2 24.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 25.2 25.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 26.2 26.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 27.2 27.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 28.2 28.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 29.2 29.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 30.2 30.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 31.2 31.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 32.2 32.1 0.100000000000001 ans 33.2 33.1 0.100000000000001 ans 34.2 34.1 0.100000000000001 ans 35.2 35.1 0.100000000000001 ans 36.2 36.1 0.100000000000001 ans This is very odd. Any Ideas? Only two of the above are correct, but of couse all of them should read 0.1 |
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Odd Concatenate problem.
Yes true, to include Round, you have to work out the result in a Feeder Cell,
and use that feeder cell in the Concatenate formula. But Round is not the issue here. This error only occurs with a subtraction, and only when decimal places are used. Have you got the same error...or is it my Excel that's bugged? "TRYING" wrote: So how do you include ROUND in the formula to achieve what Paul is expecting? "Gary''s Student" wrote: This is a simple rounding issue. Use the ROUND() function if you only want one decimal place. -- Gary''s Student - gsnu200761 "Paul" wrote: Running XP Pro with Office 2003 pro upto SP2. =CONCATENATE(C6-D6," ans") Where C6 is 8.2 and D6 is 8.1 The answer I get is 0.0999999999999996 ans. Extending the range of numbers I get: - 1.2 1.1 0.0999999999999999 ans 2.2 2.1 0.1 ans 3.2 3.1 0.1 ans 4.2 4.1 0.100000000000001 ans 5.2 5.1 0.100000000000001 ans 6.2 6.1 0.100000000000001 ans 7.2 7.1 0.100000000000001 ans 8.2 8.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 9.2 9.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 10.2 10.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 11.2 11.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 12.2 12.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 13.2 13.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 14.2 14.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 15.2 15.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 16.2 16.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 17.2 17.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 18.2 18.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 19.2 19.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 20.2 20.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 21.2 21.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 22.2 22.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 23.2 23.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 24.2 24.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 25.2 25.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 26.2 26.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 27.2 27.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 28.2 28.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 29.2 29.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 30.2 30.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 31.2 31.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 32.2 32.1 0.100000000000001 ans 33.2 33.1 0.100000000000001 ans 34.2 34.1 0.100000000000001 ans 35.2 35.1 0.100000000000001 ans 36.2 36.1 0.100000000000001 ans This is very odd. Any Ideas? Only two of the above are correct, but of couse all of them should read 0.1 |
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Odd Concatenate problem.
I got the same error. I extended downward to about 50 rows with the same
results. I'm using 2003. "Paul" wrote: Yes true, to include Round, you have to work out the result in a Feeder Cell, and use that feeder cell in the Concatenate formula. But Round is not the issue here. This error only occurs with a subtraction, and only when decimal places are used. Have you got the same error...or is it my Excel that's bugged? "TRYING" wrote: So how do you include ROUND in the formula to achieve what Paul is expecting? "Gary''s Student" wrote: This is a simple rounding issue. Use the ROUND() function if you only want one decimal place. -- Gary''s Student - gsnu200761 "Paul" wrote: Running XP Pro with Office 2003 pro upto SP2. =CONCATENATE(C6-D6," ans") Where C6 is 8.2 and D6 is 8.1 The answer I get is 0.0999999999999996 ans. Extending the range of numbers I get: - 1.2 1.1 0.0999999999999999 ans 2.2 2.1 0.1 ans 3.2 3.1 0.1 ans 4.2 4.1 0.100000000000001 ans 5.2 5.1 0.100000000000001 ans 6.2 6.1 0.100000000000001 ans 7.2 7.1 0.100000000000001 ans 8.2 8.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 9.2 9.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 10.2 10.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 11.2 11.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 12.2 12.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 13.2 13.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 14.2 14.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 15.2 15.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 16.2 16.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 17.2 17.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 18.2 18.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 19.2 19.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 20.2 20.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 21.2 21.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 22.2 22.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 23.2 23.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 24.2 24.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 25.2 25.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 26.2 26.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 27.2 27.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 28.2 28.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 29.2 29.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 30.2 30.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 31.2 31.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 32.2 32.1 0.100000000000001 ans 33.2 33.1 0.100000000000001 ans 34.2 34.1 0.100000000000001 ans 35.2 35.1 0.100000000000001 ans 36.2 36.1 0.100000000000001 ans This is very odd. Any Ideas? Only two of the above are correct, but of couse all of them should read 0.1 |
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Odd Concatenate problem.
Oh good....or rather not good.....but it's a MS error and not mine!!
Who's got a direct contact at MS?.....I've tried Emailing problems before...never an answer. "TRYING" wrote: I got the same error. I extended downward to about 50 rows with the same results. I'm using 2003. "Paul" wrote: Yes true, to include Round, you have to work out the result in a Feeder Cell, and use that feeder cell in the Concatenate formula. But Round is not the issue here. This error only occurs with a subtraction, and only when decimal places are used. Have you got the same error...or is it my Excel that's bugged? "TRYING" wrote: So how do you include ROUND in the formula to achieve what Paul is expecting? "Gary''s Student" wrote: This is a simple rounding issue. Use the ROUND() function if you only want one decimal place. -- Gary''s Student - gsnu200761 "Paul" wrote: Running XP Pro with Office 2003 pro upto SP2. =CONCATENATE(C6-D6," ans") Where C6 is 8.2 and D6 is 8.1 The answer I get is 0.0999999999999996 ans. Extending the range of numbers I get: - 1.2 1.1 0.0999999999999999 ans 2.2 2.1 0.1 ans 3.2 3.1 0.1 ans 4.2 4.1 0.100000000000001 ans 5.2 5.1 0.100000000000001 ans 6.2 6.1 0.100000000000001 ans 7.2 7.1 0.100000000000001 ans 8.2 8.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 9.2 9.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 10.2 10.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 11.2 11.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 12.2 12.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 13.2 13.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 14.2 14.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 15.2 15.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 16.2 16.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 17.2 17.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 18.2 18.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 19.2 19.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 20.2 20.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 21.2 21.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 22.2 22.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 23.2 23.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 24.2 24.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 25.2 25.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 26.2 26.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 27.2 27.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 28.2 28.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 29.2 29.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 30.2 30.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 31.2 31.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 32.2 32.1 0.100000000000001 ans 33.2 33.1 0.100000000000001 ans 34.2 34.1 0.100000000000001 ans 35.2 35.1 0.100000000000001 ans 36.2 36.1 0.100000000000001 ans This is very odd. Any Ideas? Only two of the above are correct, but of couse all of them should read 0.1 |
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Odd Concatenate problem.
The 'rounding' that is referred to here is the rounding that happens when a
computer application has to convert decimal values (numbers to base 10 - the number of fingers we humans have) to numbers to base 2 (the number of states a memory position has - on/off or 0/1 depending how you want to think) For more read some of these INFO: Visual Basic and Arithmetic Precision http://support.microsoft.com/default...NoWebContent=1 (Complete) Tutorial to Understand IEEE Floating-Point Errors http://support.microsoft.com/default...NoWebContent=1 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/78113/en-us What Every Computer Scientist Should Know About Floating Point http://docs.sun.com/source/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html http://www.cpearson.com/excel/rounding.htm best wishes -- Bernard V Liengme Microsoft Excel MVP www.stfx.ca/people/bliengme remove caps from email "Paul" wrote in message ... Running XP Pro with Office 2003 pro upto SP2. =CONCATENATE(C6-D6," ans") Where C6 is 8.2 and D6 is 8.1 The answer I get is 0.0999999999999996 ans. Extending the range of numbers I get: - 1.2 1.1 0.0999999999999999 ans 2.2 2.1 0.1 ans 3.2 3.1 0.1 ans 4.2 4.1 0.100000000000001 ans 5.2 5.1 0.100000000000001 ans 6.2 6.1 0.100000000000001 ans 7.2 7.1 0.100000000000001 ans 8.2 8.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 9.2 9.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 10.2 10.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 11.2 11.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 12.2 12.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 13.2 13.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 14.2 14.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 15.2 15.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 16.2 16.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 17.2 17.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 18.2 18.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 19.2 19.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 20.2 20.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 21.2 21.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 22.2 22.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 23.2 23.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 24.2 24.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 25.2 25.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 26.2 26.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 27.2 27.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 28.2 28.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 29.2 29.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 30.2 30.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 31.2 31.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 32.2 32.1 0.100000000000001 ans 33.2 33.1 0.100000000000001 ans 34.2 34.1 0.100000000000001 ans 35.2 35.1 0.100000000000001 ans 36.2 36.1 0.100000000000001 ans This is very odd. Any Ideas? Only two of the above are correct, but of couse all of them should read 0.1 |
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Odd Concatenate problem.
This is indeed a rounding issue! See the links in Bernard's response.
Try this: =ROUND(C6-D6,1)&" ans" -- Biff Microsoft Excel MVP "Paul" wrote in message ... Thanks Gary, but 8.2 less 8.1 is 0.1 in any mathematics. No rounding required. I'm familiar with the rounding issues in concatenate, but this is a weird problem. "Gary''s Student" wrote: This is a simple rounding issue. Use the ROUND() function if you only want one decimal place. -- Gary''s Student - gsnu200761 "Paul" wrote: Running XP Pro with Office 2003 pro upto SP2. =CONCATENATE(C6-D6," ans") Where C6 is 8.2 and D6 is 8.1 The answer I get is 0.0999999999999996 ans. Extending the range of numbers I get: - 1.2 1.1 0.0999999999999999 ans 2.2 2.1 0.1 ans 3.2 3.1 0.1 ans 4.2 4.1 0.100000000000001 ans 5.2 5.1 0.100000000000001 ans 6.2 6.1 0.100000000000001 ans 7.2 7.1 0.100000000000001 ans 8.2 8.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 9.2 9.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 10.2 10.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 11.2 11.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 12.2 12.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 13.2 13.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 14.2 14.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 15.2 15.1 0.0999999999999996 ans 16.2 16.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 17.2 17.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 18.2 18.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 19.2 19.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 20.2 20.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 21.2 21.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 22.2 22.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 23.2 23.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 24.2 24.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 25.2 25.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 26.2 26.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 27.2 27.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 28.2 28.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 29.2 29.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 30.2 30.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 31.2 31.1 0.0999999999999979 ans 32.2 32.1 0.100000000000001 ans 33.2 33.1 0.100000000000001 ans 34.2 34.1 0.100000000000001 ans 35.2 35.1 0.100000000000001 ans 36.2 36.1 0.100000000000001 ans This is very odd. Any Ideas? Only two of the above are correct, but of couse all of them should read 0.1 |
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