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Can anyone recommend a reference book
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I am looking for a good reference book for Excel formulas & functions. I have a good general knowledge of Excel itself but want to know more on the Formula & function side of things. Thanks in advance Paul |
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Paul, have a look here,
http://www.contextures.on.ca/xlbooks.html -- Paul B Always backup your data before trying something new Please post any response to the newsgroups so others can benefit from it Feedback on answers is always appreciated! Using Excel 2002 & 2003 "phocused" wrote in message ... Hi, I am looking for a good reference book for Excel formulas & functions. I have a good general knowledge of Excel itself but want to know more on the Formula & function side of things. Thanks in advance Paul |
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There is really only one book on formulae worth its salt IMO, and that is
John Walkenbach's Excel 2003 Formulas (sic!). -- --- HTH Bob (change the xxxx to gmail if mailing direct) "phocused" wrote in message ... Hi, I am looking for a good reference book for Excel formulas & functions. I have a good general knowledge of Excel itself but want to know more on the Formula & function side of things. Thanks in advance Paul |
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Bob, Paul b,
Thanks for the help, reccomendations. I have gone for Bob's suggestion. Rgds Paul "Bob Phillips" wrote: There is really only one book on formulae worth its salt IMO, and that is John Walkenbach's Excel 2003 Formulas (sic!). -- --- HTH Bob (change the xxxx to gmail if mailing direct) "phocused" wrote in message ... Hi, I am looking for a good reference book for Excel formulas & functions. I have a good general knowledge of Excel itself but want to know more on the Formula & function side of things. Thanks in advance Paul |
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In addition to a reference book, you can also download Peter Noneley's
Excel Function Dictionary: http://www.xlfdic.com/ phocused wrote: I am looking for a good reference book for Excel formulas & functions. I have a good general knowledge of Excel itself but want to know more on the Formula & function side of things. -- Debra Dalgleish Contextures http://www.contextures.com/tiptech.html |
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Debra,
That is very helpful, thanks for the link. Rgds Paul "Debra Dalgleish" wrote: In addition to a reference book, you can also download Peter Noneley's Excel Function Dictionary: http://www.xlfdic.com/ phocused wrote: I am looking for a good reference book for Excel formulas & functions. I have a good general knowledge of Excel itself but want to know more on the Formula & function side of things. -- Debra Dalgleish Contextures http://www.contextures.com/tiptech.html |
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I'll second the nomination of Walkenbach's books. For 2000/2003 he had two:
one targeted worksheet functions, the other VBA code, but both touch well into the other's primary area. Well worth the money. "phocused" wrote: Bob, Paul b, Thanks for the help, reccomendations. I have gone for Bob's suggestion. Rgds Paul "Bob Phillips" wrote: There is really only one book on formulae worth its salt IMO, and that is John Walkenbach's Excel 2003 Formulas (sic!). -- --- HTH Bob (change the xxxx to gmail if mailing direct) "phocused" wrote in message ... Hi, I am looking for a good reference book for Excel formulas & functions. I have a good general knowledge of Excel itself but want to know more on the Formula & function side of things. Thanks in advance Paul |
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phocused wrote:
"Bob Phillips" wrote: There is really only one book on formulae worth its salt IMO, and that is John Walkenbach's Excel 2003 Formulas (sic!). Thanks for the help, reccomendations. I have gone for Bob's suggestion. And please post back with your impression of the book after you have read it and tried to use it for a while. I have both of Walkenbach's Excel books. (Well, he might have more than two. Unfortunately, they are both packed away during remodeling, so I cannot check the titles.) They are certainly full of useful information. But I am very disappointed in their organization, presentation and completeness. After reading the VBA book nearly a year ago, I never can find anything when I go to look up something that I "know" is in the book. And as I recall, things were not presented in a "logical" sequence in the first place. I have used the Excel Formulas book only sparingly, having learned Excel on my own very easily based on years of experience with pioneering spreadsheet products. But it, too, suffers as a reference, IMHO. Having said all that, I should add that I am a professional computer programmer (post grad degree) with many decades of experience in system programming in another part of the industry. Arguably, perhaps my expectations are too high. In fact, I am sure they are, considering the seemingly overwhelming good reviews of Walkenbach's books. PS: On the other hand, I have yet to find a book that presents Excel and VBA programming any better. I think the MS industry is severely lacking in quality texts. At least, I have yet to stumble upon anything really good. |
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I don't know about the structure of the books (I have to admit to never
having bought or fully read any of them) so I cannot comment on that, but I would point out that John's books are not meant for the likes of you and I, they are aimed straight at the mass-market, looking to generate as many sales as possible by teaching aspects of Excel to people that have a desire to learn, but do not necessarily have the sort of background that they can do it on their own. I recommended John's book, because I have leafed through many in bookstores, and that is the only one that I found presented anything other than really basic information. I agree it falls well short of discussing advanced techniques such as the one we discussed back on 25th June, and a book on that topic would be great (I have thousands of pages of notes, but not the discipline I feel to create such a tome), but unless you are John Walkenbach, book writing is not a lucrative job, the rewards are nowhere near commensurate to the effort involved. BTW, John has written loads of books, far more than the 2 you have. And I am sure we will be seeing 2007 versions very soon. -- --- HTH Bob (change the xxxx to gmail if mailing direct) wrote in message ups.com... phocused wrote: "Bob Phillips" wrote: There is really only one book on formulae worth its salt IMO, and that is John Walkenbach's Excel 2003 Formulas (sic!). Thanks for the help, reccomendations. I have gone for Bob's suggestion. And please post back with your impression of the book after you have read it and tried to use it for a while. I have both of Walkenbach's Excel books. (Well, he might have more than two. Unfortunately, they are both packed away during remodeling, so I cannot check the titles.) They are certainly full of useful information. But I am very disappointed in their organization, presentation and completeness. After reading the VBA book nearly a year ago, I never can find anything when I go to look up something that I "know" is in the book. And as I recall, things were not presented in a "logical" sequence in the first place. I have used the Excel Formulas book only sparingly, having learned Excel on my own very easily based on years of experience with pioneering spreadsheet products. But it, too, suffers as a reference, IMHO. Having said all that, I should add that I am a professional computer programmer (post grad degree) with many decades of experience in system programming in another part of the industry. Arguably, perhaps my expectations are too high. In fact, I am sure they are, considering the seemingly overwhelming good reviews of Walkenbach's books. PS: On the other hand, I have yet to find a book that presents Excel and VBA programming any better. I think the MS industry is severely lacking in quality texts. At least, I have yet to stumble upon anything really good. |
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I agree it falls well short of discussing advanced techniques such as the
one we discussed back on 25th June Can you provide a link to that discussion? a book on that topic would be great (I have thousands of pages of notes, but not the discipline I feel to create such a tome) I don't know what "that topic" is but I've also "thought about writing a book" on "advanced formulas". I wouldn't know where to start! I haven't a clue about how to write a book! I don't have JW's book, but does it cover the types of formulas and techniques we routinely provide in these groups? I have a couple of old books but they're pretty much useless for anything above the very basics: "To sum a range of cells use this formula: =SUM(A1:10)" "To find the maximum value in a range of cells use this formula: =MAX(A10:A10)" Really advanced stuff! Biff "Bob Phillips" wrote in message ... I don't know about the structure of the books (I have to admit to never having bought or fully read any of them) so I cannot comment on that, but I would point out that John's books are not meant for the likes of you and I, they are aimed straight at the mass-market, looking to generate as many sales as possible by teaching aspects of Excel to people that have a desire to learn, but do not necessarily have the sort of background that they can do it on their own. I recommended John's book, because I have leafed through many in bookstores, and that is the only one that I found presented anything other than really basic information. I agree it falls well short of discussing advanced techniques such as the one we discussed back on 25th June, and a book on that topic would be great (I have thousands of pages of notes, but not the discipline I feel to create such a tome), but unless you are John Walkenbach, book writing is not a lucrative job, the rewards are nowhere near commensurate to the effort involved. BTW, John has written loads of books, far more than the 2 you have. And I am sure we will be seeing 2007 versions very soon. -- --- HTH Bob (change the xxxx to gmail if mailing direct) wrote in message ups.com... phocused wrote: "Bob Phillips" wrote: There is really only one book on formulae worth its salt IMO, and that is John Walkenbach's Excel 2003 Formulas (sic!). Thanks for the help, reccomendations. I have gone for Bob's suggestion. And please post back with your impression of the book after you have read it and tried to use it for a while. I have both of Walkenbach's Excel books. (Well, he might have more than two. Unfortunately, they are both packed away during remodeling, so I cannot check the titles.) They are certainly full of useful information. But I am very disappointed in their organization, presentation and completeness. After reading the VBA book nearly a year ago, I never can find anything when I go to look up something that I "know" is in the book. And as I recall, things were not presented in a "logical" sequence in the first place. I have used the Excel Formulas book only sparingly, having learned Excel on my own very easily based on years of experience with pioneering spreadsheet products. But it, too, suffers as a reference, IMHO. Having said all that, I should add that I am a professional computer programmer (post grad degree) with many decades of experience in system programming in another part of the industry. Arguably, perhaps my expectations are too high. In fact, I am sure they are, considering the seemingly overwhelming good reviews of Walkenbach's books. PS: On the other hand, I have yet to find a book that presents Excel and VBA programming any better. I think the MS industry is severely lacking in quality texts. At least, I have yet to stumble upon anything really good. |
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"T. Valko" wrote in message ... I agree it falls well short of discussing advanced techniques such as the one we discussed back on 25th June Can you provide a link to that discussion? This is the one. http://tinyurl.com/yn64g2 You won't find it anything new, but it was new to Joe (who by his own admission is an advanced user) at that time, and the discussion was the interesting part. At least I thought it was relevant to this thread. I don't know what "that topic" is but I've also "thought about writing a book" on "advanced formulas". I wouldn't know where to start! I haven't a clue about how to write a book! I don't have JW's book, but does it cover the types of formulas and techniques we routinely provide in these groups? I have a couple of old books but they're pretty much useless for anything above the very basics: That topic was advanced Excel techniques, not just formulae, but mainly formulae driven. It's a while since I have looked at John's book, but as I recall, it wasn't going into the depth of some of the solutions of the type that we offer here. It was more along the lines of taking themes, and developing them, showing the formulae available, how to use them etc. There is some extremely basic stuff there, some more advanced stuff (Part IV is Array Formulae). The best bit is part III for me, Financial Formulae, but probably because I know naff all about them. Despite what Joe says, I think it is well formatted, I think that is one of John's strengths. I think the market needs a book that starts at the intermediate user, and gives them tools and techniques to become an expert. No basic stuff, all that is assumed in the reader. I really don't think that book exists at this point. And of course, if anyone wants to write it, publishers now want it to be focussed on Excel 2007. |
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Can you provide a link to that discussion?
This is the one. http://tinyurl.com/yn64g2 Ok, I remember reading that thread. That thread also fits the evolved topic of this thread. Toppers says: "There is a market for somone who could distill all the knowledge into a single reference" I think we agree but it would be a lot of work! As for the subject of that thread, here's another formula to "do stuff" on non-contiguous ranges: Array entered: =AVERAGE(IF(CHOOSE({1,2,3},B6:B19,B27:B40,H6:H19)= "x",CHOOSE({1,2,3},C6:C19,C27:C40,I6:I19))) Using this method the ranges must be the same size *and* shape. Biff "Bob Phillips" wrote in message ... "T. Valko" wrote in message ... I agree it falls well short of discussing advanced techniques such as the one we discussed back on 25th June Can you provide a link to that discussion? This is the one. http://tinyurl.com/yn64g2 You won't find it anything new, but it was new to Joe (who by his own admission is an advanced user) at that time, and the discussion was the interesting part. At least I thought it was relevant to this thread. I don't know what "that topic" is but I've also "thought about writing a book" on "advanced formulas". I wouldn't know where to start! I haven't a clue about how to write a book! I don't have JW's book, but does it cover the types of formulas and techniques we routinely provide in these groups? I have a couple of old books but they're pretty much useless for anything above the very basics: That topic was advanced Excel techniques, not just formulae, but mainly formulae driven. It's a while since I have looked at John's book, but as I recall, it wasn't going into the depth of some of the solutions of the type that we offer here. It was more along the lines of taking themes, and developing them, showing the formulae available, how to use them etc. There is some extremely basic stuff there, some more advanced stuff (Part IV is Array Formulae). The best bit is part III for me, Financial Formulae, but probably because I know naff all about them. Despite what Joe says, I think it is well formatted, I think that is one of John's strengths. I think the market needs a book that starts at the intermediate user, and gives them tools and techniques to become an expert. No basic stuff, all that is assumed in the reader. I really don't think that book exists at this point. And of course, if anyone wants to write it, publishers now want it to be focussed on Excel 2007. |
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Using this method the ranges must be the same size *and* shape.
But then again, you could always transpose if needed: =AVERAGE(IF(CHOOSE({1,2},A1:A5,TRANSPOSE(D1:H1))=" x",CHOOSE({1,2},B1:B5,TRANSPOSE(D2:H2)))) Biff "T. Valko" wrote in message ... Can you provide a link to that discussion? This is the one. http://tinyurl.com/yn64g2 Ok, I remember reading that thread. That thread also fits the evolved topic of this thread. Toppers says: "There is a market for somone who could distill all the knowledge into a single reference" I think we agree but it would be a lot of work! As for the subject of that thread, here's another formula to "do stuff" on non-contiguous ranges: Array entered: =AVERAGE(IF(CHOOSE({1,2,3},B6:B19,B27:B40,H6:H19)= "x",CHOOSE({1,2,3},C6:C19,C27:C40,I6:I19))) Using this method the ranges must be the same size *and* shape. Biff "Bob Phillips" wrote in message ... "T. Valko" wrote in message ... I agree it falls well short of discussing advanced techniques such as the one we discussed back on 25th June Can you provide a link to that discussion? This is the one. http://tinyurl.com/yn64g2 You won't find it anything new, but it was new to Joe (who by his own admission is an advanced user) at that time, and the discussion was the interesting part. At least I thought it was relevant to this thread. I don't know what "that topic" is but I've also "thought about writing a book" on "advanced formulas". I wouldn't know where to start! I haven't a clue about how to write a book! I don't have JW's book, but does it cover the types of formulas and techniques we routinely provide in these groups? I have a couple of old books but they're pretty much useless for anything above the very basics: That topic was advanced Excel techniques, not just formulae, but mainly formulae driven. It's a while since I have looked at John's book, but as I recall, it wasn't going into the depth of some of the solutions of the type that we offer here. It was more along the lines of taking themes, and developing them, showing the formulae available, how to use them etc. There is some extremely basic stuff there, some more advanced stuff (Part IV is Array Formulae). The best bit is part III for me, Financial Formulae, but probably because I know naff all about them. Despite what Joe says, I think it is well formatted, I think that is one of John's strengths. I think the market needs a book that starts at the intermediate user, and gives them tools and techniques to become an expert. No basic stuff, all that is assumed in the reader. I really don't think that book exists at this point. And of course, if anyone wants to write it, publishers now want it to be focussed on Excel 2007. |
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Hi,
Someone asked me to post back and let people know my thoughts on the book. I received the book last Friday and have been using it since, working through the examples and reading the tips and tricks. First imprssions are that it will be a helpful addition to my collection but like most of these books, it falls short in a number of areas. I often find that the examples are to simplistic and dont really cover 'real world' problems. They appear to be designed to meet the requirement of the beginner were I was looking for a bit more. Dont get me wrong, i am by no means an expert, far from it, but I can muddle through reasonable well. For example, the sumproduct examples in the book are limited to a couple of descriptions and yet on this forum it seems that sumproduct is used in a vast number of the answers. Take the formula below which was written by bob if i remember rightly. Its real world and its doing a number of things and yet there is nothing in the book like this. Its all there seperately, but there is nothing on how to put it together and make it work. =IF($G19<"",SUMPRODUCT((ROW(INDIRECT($F19&":"&$G1 9))=AC$16)*(ROW(INDIRECT($F19&":"&$G19))<DATE(YEA R(AC$16),MONTH(AC$16)+1,1))),SUMPRODUCT((ROW(INDIR ECT($F19&":"&$F$1))=AC$16)*(ROW(INDIRECT($F19&":" &$F$1))<DATE(YEAR(AC$16),MONTH(AC$16)+1,1)))) Having said that, the detail is all in the book and the fun is as much about the journey as the end. So I will be making good use of the book but I will still be looking for a book that goes that bit further. Rgds Paul " wrote: phocused wrote: "Bob Phillips" wrote: There is really only one book on formulae worth its salt IMO, and that is John Walkenbach's Excel 2003 Formulas (sic!). Thanks for the help, reccomendations. I have gone for Bob's suggestion. And please post back with your impression of the book after you have read it and tried to use it for a while. I have both of Walkenbach's Excel books. (Well, he might have more than two. Unfortunately, they are both packed away during remodeling, so I cannot check the titles.) They are certainly full of useful information. But I am very disappointed in their organization, presentation and completeness. After reading the VBA book nearly a year ago, I never can find anything when I go to look up something that I "know" is in the book. And as I recall, things were not presented in a "logical" sequence in the first place. I have used the Excel Formulas book only sparingly, having learned Excel on my own very easily based on years of experience with pioneering spreadsheet products. But it, too, suffers as a reference, IMHO. Having said all that, I should add that I am a professional computer programmer (post grad degree) with many decades of experience in system programming in another part of the industry. Arguably, perhaps my expectations are too high. In fact, I am sure they are, considering the seemingly overwhelming good reviews of Walkenbach's books. PS: On the other hand, I have yet to find a book that presents Excel and VBA programming any better. I think the MS industry is severely lacking in quality texts. At least, I have yet to stumble upon anything really good. |
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Paul,
Thanks for letting us know. I think you are absolutely right, but as I said earlier, I don't think that the book that you want exists (yet!). If you want a good description on SUMPRODUCT see =SUMPRODUCT(--(A1:A20-DAY(A1:A20)+1=DATE(2006,10,1))) (I know it's good, I wrote it <vbg). I think that one the problems is that these esoteric solutions are logic based, not formula based, that is they arise from understanding formulae and seeing how they can be stretched, they don't necessarily arise from the formula, the logic can be applied to many functions. As such, it probably doesn't fit in describing how particular functions work. But ... maybe a chapter on building complex formulae could cover it, but again it is no trivial subject (I do a two day course on the same subject). Anyway, I hope that the book helps, and the page above. Keep visiting, that's the best way to learn. -- --- HTH Bob (change the xxxx to gmail if mailing direct) "phocused" wrote in message ... Hi, Someone asked me to post back and let people know my thoughts on the book. I received the book last Friday and have been using it since, working through the examples and reading the tips and tricks. First imprssions are that it will be a helpful addition to my collection but like most of these books, it falls short in a number of areas. I often find that the examples are to simplistic and dont really cover 'real world' problems. They appear to be designed to meet the requirement of the beginner were I was looking for a bit more. Dont get me wrong, i am by no means an expert, far from it, but I can muddle through reasonable well. For example, the sumproduct examples in the book are limited to a couple of descriptions and yet on this forum it seems that sumproduct is used in a vast number of the answers. Take the formula below which was written by bob if i remember rightly. Its real world and its doing a number of things and yet there is nothing in the book like this. Its all there seperately, but there is nothing on how to put it together and make it work. =IF($G19<"",SUMPRODUCT((ROW(INDIRECT($F19&":"&$G1 9))=AC$16)*(ROW(INDIRECT($F19&":"&$G19))<DATE(YEA R(AC$16),MONTH(AC$16)+1,1))),SUMPRODUCT((ROW(INDIR ECT($F19&":"&$F$1))=AC$16)*(ROW(INDIRECT($F19&":" &$F$1))<DATE(YEAR(AC$16),MONTH(AC$16)+1,1)))) Having said that, the detail is all in the book and the fun is as much about the journey as the end. So I will be making good use of the book but I will still be looking for a book that goes that bit further. Rgds Paul " wrote: phocused wrote: "Bob Phillips" wrote: There is really only one book on formulae worth its salt IMO, and that is John Walkenbach's Excel 2003 Formulas (sic!). Thanks for the help, reccomendations. I have gone for Bob's suggestion. And please post back with your impression of the book after you have read it and tried to use it for a while. I have both of Walkenbach's Excel books. (Well, he might have more than two. Unfortunately, they are both packed away during remodeling, so I cannot check the titles.) They are certainly full of useful information. But I am very disappointed in their organization, presentation and completeness. After reading the VBA book nearly a year ago, I never can find anything when I go to look up something that I "know" is in the book. And as I recall, things were not presented in a "logical" sequence in the first place. I have used the Excel Formulas book only sparingly, having learned Excel on my own very easily based on years of experience with pioneering spreadsheet products. But it, too, suffers as a reference, IMHO. Having said all that, I should add that I am a professional computer programmer (post grad degree) with many decades of experience in system programming in another part of the industry. Arguably, perhaps my expectations are too high. In fact, I am sure they are, considering the seemingly overwhelming good reviews of Walkenbach's books. PS: On the other hand, I have yet to find a book that presents Excel and VBA programming any better. I think the MS industry is severely lacking in quality texts. At least, I have yet to stumble upon anything really good. |
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