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Am just getting into toolbars and custom menus that will call macros. Docum says in summary, for toolbars, .onaction = "MyMacro" 'with xxx and _ end with not shown. Well, I've got macros whose function varies via arguments. e.g. call RealMacro(arg1) Haven't yet read Walkenbach's chapter on menus, but as a heads-up I tried ..onaction = Run Macname "arg value" but of course it errored out. So, it seems unless there's a better way, that I'll have to have an "intermediate" call whe (in sorta pseudo code) .onaction = "MyMacA" .onaction = "MyMacB" sub MyMacA() call RealMacro("arg value A") end sub sub MyMacB() call RealMacro("arg value B") end sub Am I getting warm ? -- Neal Z |
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I have never understood why anyone wants to set a parameter value in an
onaction, because it is static, so it defeats the objectives of parameters. However, that being so, this is how to do it .OnAction = "'mymacro ""hello""'" A better way in my view is to test with the macro some of the control button properties, like so Sub mymacro() With Application.CommandBars.ActionControl If .Tag < "" Then MsgBox .Tag End If End With End Sub which you can set dynamically in the code like so With Application.CommandBars("Standard").Controls("Test ") If somevalue 17 Then .Tag = "hello" Else .Tag = "goodbye" End If End With -- HTH Bob (there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy) "Neal Zimm" wrote in message ... Hi All, Am just getting into toolbars and custom menus that will call macros. Docum says in summary, for toolbars, .onaction = "MyMacro" 'with xxx and _ end with not shown. Well, I've got macros whose function varies via arguments. e.g. call RealMacro(arg1) Haven't yet read Walkenbach's chapter on menus, but as a heads-up I tried .onaction = Run Macname "arg value" but of course it errored out. So, it seems unless there's a better way, that I'll have to have an "intermediate" call whe (in sorta pseudo code) .onaction = "MyMacA" .onaction = "MyMacB" sub MyMacA() call RealMacro("arg value A") end sub sub MyMacB() call RealMacro("arg value B") end sub Am I getting warm ? -- Neal Z |
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Just a heads up, (and another reason not to use it)
.OnAction = "'mymacro ""hello""'" is undocumented and in my experience doesn't work with every version of excel. -- Regards, Tom Ogilvy "Bob Phillips" wrote: I have never understood why anyone wants to set a parameter value in an onaction, because it is static, so it defeats the objectives of parameters. However, that being so, this is how to do it .OnAction = "'mymacro ""hello""'" A better way in my view is to test with the macro some of the control button properties, like so Sub mymacro() With Application.CommandBars.ActionControl If .Tag < "" Then MsgBox .Tag End If End With End Sub which you can set dynamically in the code like so With Application.CommandBars("Standard").Controls("Test ") If somevalue 17 Then .Tag = "hello" Else .Tag = "goodbye" End If End With -- HTH Bob (there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy) "Neal Zimm" wrote in message ... Hi All, Am just getting into toolbars and custom menus that will call macros. Docum says in summary, for toolbars, .onaction = "MyMacro" 'with xxx and _ end with not shown. Well, I've got macros whose function varies via arguments. e.g. call RealMacro(arg1) Haven't yet read Walkenbach's chapter on menus, but as a heads-up I tried .onaction = Run Macname "arg value" but of course it errored out. So, it seems unless there's a better way, that I'll have to have an "intermediate" call whe (in sorta pseudo code) .onaction = "MyMacA" .onaction = "MyMacB" sub MyMacA() call RealMacro("arg value A") end sub sub MyMacB() call RealMacro("arg value B") end sub Am I getting warm ? -- Neal Z |
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Bob and Tom, thanks. I won't use the technique, (glad to hear that it's
undocumented, 'cuz I looked pretty hard for it and could not find any.) To Bob's point, what's 'wrong' with the following? 1. Theoretically, if a macro can be called by .onaction = stuff, or by another sub, keeping the control testing out of that macro makes it more 'independant'? 2. Are you saying that if a macro has to perform let's say 4 processes, where much of the code is the same, that I should write 4 subs and NOT vary the function via an argument? e.g. In my app it's prudent to control several worksheet, ws, processes, so I have an array of 'reserved' ws names. I don't mind a user hiding the ws or shifting its ws name tab to the left or right, arg = "hide" or "move", but I'd like to draw a line in the sand when arg = "delete" or arg = "insert". Thanks for your expertise. Neal -- Neal Z "Bob Phillips" wrote: I have never understood why anyone wants to set a parameter value in an onaction, because it is static, so it defeats the objectives of parameters. However, that being so, this is how to do it .OnAction = "'mymacro ""hello""'" A better way in my view is to test with the macro some of the control button properties, like so Sub mymacro() With Application.CommandBars.ActionControl If .Tag < "" Then MsgBox .Tag End If End With End Sub which you can set dynamically in the code like so With Application.CommandBars("Standard").Controls("Test ") If somevalue 17 Then .Tag = "hello" Else .Tag = "goodbye" End If End With -- HTH Bob (there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy) "Neal Zimm" wrote in message ... Hi All, Am just getting into toolbars and custom menus that will call macros. Docum says in summary, for toolbars, .onaction = "MyMacro" 'with xxx and _ end with not shown. Well, I've got macros whose function varies via arguments. e.g. call RealMacro(arg1) Haven't yet read Walkenbach's chapter on menus, but as a heads-up I tried .onaction = Run Macname "arg value" but of course it errored out. So, it seems unless there's a better way, that I'll have to have an "intermediate" call whe (in sorta pseudo code) .onaction = "MyMacA" .onaction = "MyMacB" sub MyMacA() call RealMacro("arg value A") end sub sub MyMacB() call RealMacro("arg value B") end sub Am I getting warm ? -- Neal Z |
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Bob and Tom, thanks. I won't use the technique, (glad to hear that it's
undocumented, 'cuz I looked pretty hard for it and could not find any.) To Bob's point, what's 'wrong' with the following? 1. Theoretically, if a macro can be called by .onaction = stuff, or by another sub, keeping the control testing out of that macro makes it more 'independant'? 2. Are you saying that if a macro has to perform let's say 4 processes, where much of the code is the same, that I should write 4 subs and NOT vary the function via an argument? e.g. In my app it's prudent to control several worksheet, ws, processes, so I have an array of 'reserved' ws names. I don't mind a user hiding the ws or shifting its ws name tab to the left or right, arg = "hide" or "move", but I'd like to draw a line in the sand when arg = "delete" or arg = "insert". Thanks for your expertise. Neal -- Neal Z "Tom Ogilvy" wrote: Just a heads up, (and another reason not to use it) .OnAction = "'mymacro ""hello""'" is undocumented and in my experience doesn't work with every version of excel. -- Regards, Tom Ogilvy "Bob Phillips" wrote: I have never understood why anyone wants to set a parameter value in an onaction, because it is static, so it defeats the objectives of parameters. However, that being so, this is how to do it .OnAction = "'mymacro ""hello""'" A better way in my view is to test with the macro some of the control button properties, like so Sub mymacro() With Application.CommandBars.ActionControl If .Tag < "" Then MsgBox .Tag End If End With End Sub which you can set dynamically in the code like so With Application.CommandBars("Standard").Controls("Test ") If somevalue 17 Then .Tag = "hello" Else .Tag = "goodbye" End If End With -- HTH Bob (there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy) "Neal Zimm" wrote in message ... Hi All, Am just getting into toolbars and custom menus that will call macros. Docum says in summary, for toolbars, .onaction = "MyMacro" 'with xxx and _ end with not shown. Well, I've got macros whose function varies via arguments. e.g. call RealMacro(arg1) Haven't yet read Walkenbach's chapter on menus, but as a heads-up I tried .onaction = Run Macname "arg value" but of course it errored out. So, it seems unless there's a better way, that I'll have to have an "intermediate" call whe (in sorta pseudo code) .onaction = "MyMacA" .onaction = "MyMacB" sub MyMacA() call RealMacro("arg value A") end sub sub MyMacB() call RealMacro("arg value B") end sub Am I getting warm ? -- Neal Z |
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Bob and Tom, thanks. I won't use the technique, (glad to hear that it's
undocumented, 'cuz I looked pretty hard for it and could not find any.) To Bob's point, the objectives of paramerter's are to vary the processing is what's being called, no? So, I guess I don't see the difference between A) in 4 menu choices calling the same sub with 1 of 4 arg values. the onaction may be status but the user choice via menu is not, versus, B) testing that choice "inside" the macro being called?? . Your thoughts, please 1. Theoretically, if a macro can be called by .onaction = stuff, or by another sub, keeping the control testing out of that macro makes it more 'independant'? 2. Are you saying that if a macro has to perform let's say 4 processes, where much of the code is the same, that I should write 4 subs and NOT vary the function via an argument? e.g. In my app it's prudent to control several worksheet, ws, processes, so I have an array of 'reserved' ws names. I don't mind a user hiding the ws or shifting its ws name tab to the left or right, arg = "hide" or "move", but I'd like to draw a line in the sand when arg = "delete" or arg = "insert" depending upon the name chosen. Thanks for your expertise. Neal -- Neal Z "Bob Phillips" wrote: I have never understood why anyone wants to set a parameter value in an onaction, because it is static, so it defeats the objectives of parameters. However, that being so, this is how to do it .OnAction = "'mymacro ""hello""'" A better way in my view is to test with the macro some of the control button properties, like so Sub mymacro() With Application.CommandBars.ActionControl If .Tag < "" Then MsgBox .Tag End If End With End Sub which you can set dynamically in the code like so With Application.CommandBars("Standard").Controls("Test ") If somevalue 17 Then .Tag = "hello" Else .Tag = "goodbye" End If End With -- HTH Bob (there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy) "Neal Zimm" wrote in message ... Hi All, Am just getting into toolbars and custom menus that will call macros. Docum says in summary, for toolbars, .onaction = "MyMacro" 'with xxx and _ end with not shown. Well, I've got macros whose function varies via arguments. e.g. call RealMacro(arg1) Haven't yet read Walkenbach's chapter on menus, but as a heads-up I tried .onaction = Run Macname "arg value" but of course it errored out. So, it seems unless there's a better way, that I'll have to have an "intermediate" call whe (in sorta pseudo code) .onaction = "MyMacA" .onaction = "MyMacB" sub MyMacA() call RealMacro("arg value A") end sub sub MyMacB() call RealMacro("arg value B") end sub Am I getting warm ? -- Neal Z |
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Bob and Tom, thanks. I won't use the technique, (glad to hear that it's
undocumented, 'cuz I looked pretty hard for it and could not find any.) To Bob's point, the objectives of paramerter's are to vary the processing is what's being called, no? So, I guess I don't see the difference between A) in 4 menu choices calling the same sub with 1 of 4 arg values. the onaction may be status but the user choice via menu is not, versus, B) testing that choice "inside" the macro being called?? . Your thoughts, please 1. Theoretically, if a macro can be called by .onaction = stuff, or by another sub, keeping the control testing out of that macro makes it more 'independant'? 2. Are you saying that if a macro has to perform let's say 4 processes, where much of the code is the same, that I should write 4 subs and NOT vary the function via an argument? e.g. In my app it's prudent to control several worksheet, ws, processes, so I have an array of 'reserved' ws names. I don't mind a user hiding the ws or shifting its ws name tab to the left or right, arg = "hide" or "move", but I'd like to draw a line in the sand when arg = "delete" or arg = "insert" depending upon the name chosen. Thanks for your expertise. Neal -- Neal Z "Bob Phillips" wrote: I have never understood why anyone wants to set a parameter value in an onaction, because it is static, so it defeats the objectives of parameters. However, that being so, this is how to do it .OnAction = "'mymacro ""hello""'" A better way in my view is to test with the macro some of the control button properties, like so Sub mymacro() With Application.CommandBars.ActionControl If .Tag < "" Then MsgBox .Tag End If End With End Sub which you can set dynamically in the code like so With Application.CommandBars("Standard").Controls("Test ") If somevalue 17 Then .Tag = "hello" Else .Tag = "goodbye" End If End With -- HTH Bob (there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy) "Neal Zimm" wrote in message ... Hi All, Am just getting into toolbars and custom menus that will call macros. Docum says in summary, for toolbars, .onaction = "MyMacro" 'with xxx and _ end with not shown. Well, I've got macros whose function varies via arguments. e.g. call RealMacro(arg1) Haven't yet read Walkenbach's chapter on menus, but as a heads-up I tried .onaction = Run Macname "arg value" but of course it errored out. So, it seems unless there's a better way, that I'll have to have an "intermediate" call whe (in sorta pseudo code) .onaction = "MyMacA" .onaction = "MyMacB" sub MyMacA() call RealMacro("arg value A") end sub sub MyMacB() call RealMacro("arg value B") end sub Am I getting warm ? -- Neal Z |
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I am only going to answer once, couldn't bear to type it out 4 time <g
-- HTH Bob (there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy) "Neal Zimm" wrote in message ... Bob and Tom, thanks. I won't use the technique, (glad to hear that it's undocumented, 'cuz I looked pretty hard for it and could not find any.) To Bob's point, the objectives of paramerter's are to vary the processing is what's being called, no? So, I guess I don't see the difference between A) in 4 menu choices calling the same sub with 1 of 4 arg values. the onaction may be status but the user choice via menu is not, versus, B) testing that choice "inside" the macro being called?? . Your thoughts, please 1. Theoretically, if a macro can be called by .onaction = stuff, or by another sub, keeping the control testing out of that macro makes it more 'independant'? I am not suggesting not testing in the macro, just not using a parameter as the way to pass the variable. 2. Are you saying that if a macro has to perform let's say 4 processes, where much of the code is the same, that I should write 4 subs and NOT vary the function via an argument? e.g. In my app it's prudent to control several worksheet, ws, processes, so I have an array of 'reserved' ws names. I don't mind a user hiding the ws or shifting its ws name tab to the left or right, arg = "hide" or "move", but I'd like to draw a line in the sand when arg = "delete" or arg = "insert" depending upon the name chosen. Not at all, just use a different method. As I showed you, you can set a property of the commandbar control at any point in your code, and you can test that property very easily within the OnAction macro using Application.CommandBars.ActionControl which points at the currently activated control. |
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First, Apologies on the qty of times I TRIED to get the indentation correct
on prior responses, I never meant for you to read and/or type it more than 1x. I think I understand your point, but I just wanted to make sure our language is in synch. I keep saying arguments, and you keep saying parameter, so ...... call Macname(ABC, DEF) I call ABC and DEF arguments which I think is MSo's term for them in most of the Help. Is your name for them parameters? If so, you think it's a crappy idea to pass their value via onaction, but rather to test their values in a separate piece of code with the called Macname. Thanks, Neal -- Neal Z "Bob Phillips" wrote: I am only going to answer once, couldn't bear to type it out 4 time <g -- HTH Bob (there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy) "Neal Zimm" wrote in message ... Bob and Tom, thanks. I won't use the technique, (glad to hear that it's undocumented, 'cuz I looked pretty hard for it and could not find any.) To Bob's point, the objectives of paramerter's are to vary the processing is what's being called, no? So, I guess I don't see the difference between A) in 4 menu choices calling the same sub with 1 of 4 arg values. the onaction may be status but the user choice via menu is not, versus, B) testing that choice "inside" the macro being called?? . Your thoughts, please 1. Theoretically, if a macro can be called by .onaction = stuff, or by another sub, keeping the control testing out of that macro makes it more 'independant'? I am not suggesting not testing in the macro, just not using a parameter as the way to pass the variable. 2. Are you saying that if a macro has to perform let's say 4 processes, where much of the code is the same, that I should write 4 subs and NOT vary the function via an argument? e.g. In my app it's prudent to control several worksheet, ws, processes, so I have an array of 'reserved' ws names. I don't mind a user hiding the ws or shifting its ws name tab to the left or right, arg = "hide" or "move", but I'd like to draw a line in the sand when arg = "delete" or arg = "insert" depending upon the name chosen. Not at all, just use a different method. As I showed you, you can set a property of the commandbar control at any point in your code, and you can test that property very easily within the OnAction macro using Application.CommandBars.ActionControl which points at the currently activated control. |
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In my terminology, the variable declared in a procedure signature the
arguments, and the values that are passed to the procedure parameters. They are different beasts in my mind, and require a different label. So in this procedure Function myFunc(ByVal msg As String) MsgBox msg End Function msg is an argument. In the call, such as sText = "hello" Call muFunc(sText) sText is a parameter. I am not saying it is a crappy idea to pass their value via onaction (I probably am, but even I would not be so blunt as that <g), but I am saying it is pointless IMO. If you define a commandbar control with a parameter value, what is the point? That value is fixed, and non-changeable, so why not just build the value into the procedure? You cannot create a situation, at least I cannot see how, when invoking that control will ever pass any value other than the one originally defined, which defeats the objectives of parameters/arguments to me. To make the procedure able to respond differently to changing situations, you need another method, such as the one I showed. And then there is Tom's comment about it not necessarily working in all versions of Excel. Can't say I have come across this myself, but I wouldn't use that technique so it is not likely I would, and Tom knows what he is talking about. Summary, pointless, possibly dangerous ... nah, on reflection I think it is a great idea. -- HTH Bob (there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy) "Neal Zimm" wrote in message ... First, Apologies on the qty of times I TRIED to get the indentation correct on prior responses, I never meant for you to read and/or type it more than 1x. I think I understand your point, but I just wanted to make sure our language is in synch. I keep saying arguments, and you keep saying parameter, so ..... call Macname(ABC, DEF) I call ABC and DEF arguments which I think is MSo's term for them in most of the Help. Is your name for them parameters? If so, you think it's a crappy idea to pass their value via onaction, but rather to test their values in a separate piece of code with the called Macname. Thanks, Neal -- Neal Z "Bob Phillips" wrote: I am only going to answer once, couldn't bear to type it out 4 time <g -- HTH Bob (there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy) "Neal Zimm" wrote in message ... Bob and Tom, thanks. I won't use the technique, (glad to hear that it's undocumented, 'cuz I looked pretty hard for it and could not find any.) To Bob's point, the objectives of paramerter's are to vary the processing is what's being called, no? So, I guess I don't see the difference between A) in 4 menu choices calling the same sub with 1 of 4 arg values. the onaction may be status but the user choice via menu is not, versus, B) testing that choice "inside" the macro being called?? . Your thoughts, please 1. Theoretically, if a macro can be called by .onaction = stuff, or by another sub, keeping the control testing out of that macro makes it more 'independant'? I am not suggesting not testing in the macro, just not using a parameter as the way to pass the variable. 2. Are you saying that if a macro has to perform let's say 4 processes, where much of the code is the same, that I should write 4 subs and NOT vary the function via an argument? e.g. In my app it's prudent to control several worksheet, ws, processes, so I have an array of 'reserved' ws names. I don't mind a user hiding the ws or shifting its ws name tab to the left or right, arg = "hide" or "move", but I'd like to draw a line in the sand when arg = "delete" or arg = "insert" depending upon the name chosen. Not at all, just use a different method. As I showed you, you can set a property of the commandbar control at any point in your code, and you can test that property very easily within the OnAction macro using Application.CommandBars.ActionControl which points at the currently activated control. |
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Hi Bob,
Well, the fog is lifting. Thanks so much for the time you took to explain. This 'last' reply needs no response unless you're so inclined after reading the last question at the bottom. It concerns $. Allow me to explain a bit... as briefly as I can, I've been in apps development a ton of years in large corporate mainframe environments, and am building a whoppingly large add-in(at least for a 1st timer like me) which I hope to sell to the newspaper industry. Since 9/11 when I got "laid-off", I am entirely self taught in VBA along with Walkenbach's 2003 programming book and the expertise of guys like you on this site. Note: The add-in is a result of my delivering newspapers for a while to help make ends meet. As my first foray into toolbars and menu bars, your 1st answer initially made no sense to me due to my lack of understanding of the basic control itself, as well as no experience with the object model of toolbars and menus. Of course what you say makes sense, and I will follow the advice. I am about two months away from competing this project. I am SURE I don't know the 'dangers' I'm going to run into when and if my add-in gets sold, but I will be looking for help which I will PAY for. Last question: Do you want me to send you the eventual RFP as I try to round up the help I will need ? My email is below, at least in the copy of the message I'm looking at. If you can't see it, then I've clicked the notify me box, so send me something I can use to contact you the 'right' way. Again, many thanks. Neal -- Neal Z "Bob Phillips" wrote: In my terminology, the variable declared in a procedure signature the arguments, and the values that are passed to the procedure parameters. They are different beasts in my mind, and require a different label. So in this procedure Function myFunc(ByVal msg As String) MsgBox msg End Function msg is an argument. In the call, such as sText = "hello" Call muFunc(sText) sText is a parameter. I am not saying it is a crappy idea to pass their value via onaction (I probably am, but even I would not be so blunt as that <g), but I am saying it is pointless IMO. If you define a commandbar control with a parameter value, what is the point? That value is fixed, and non-changeable, so why not just build the value into the procedure? You cannot create a situation, at least I cannot see how, when invoking that control will ever pass any value other than the one originally defined, which defeats the objectives of parameters/arguments to me. To make the procedure able to respond differently to changing situations, you need another method, such as the one I showed. And then there is Tom's comment about it not necessarily working in all versions of Excel. Can't say I have come across this myself, but I wouldn't use that technique so it is not likely I would, and Tom knows what he is talking about. Summary, pointless, possibly dangerous ... nah, on reflection I think it is a great idea. -- HTH Bob (there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy) "Neal Zimm" wrote in message ... First, Apologies on the qty of times I TRIED to get the indentation correct on prior responses, I never meant for you to read and/or type it more than 1x. I think I understand your point, but I just wanted to make sure our language is in synch. I keep saying arguments, and you keep saying parameter, so ..... call Macname(ABC, DEF) I call ABC and DEF arguments which I think is MSo's term for them in most of the Help. Is your name for them parameters? If so, you think it's a crappy idea to pass their value via onaction, but rather to test their values in a separate piece of code with the called Macname. Thanks, Neal -- Neal Z "Bob Phillips" wrote: I am only going to answer once, couldn't bear to type it out 4 time <g -- HTH Bob (there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy) "Neal Zimm" wrote in message ... Bob and Tom, thanks. I won't use the technique, (glad to hear that it's undocumented, 'cuz I looked pretty hard for it and could not find any.) To Bob's point, the objectives of paramerter's are to vary the processing is what's being called, no? So, I guess I don't see the difference between A) in 4 menu choices calling the same sub with 1 of 4 arg values. the onaction may be status but the user choice via menu is not, versus, B) testing that choice "inside" the macro being called?? . Your thoughts, please 1. Theoretically, if a macro can be called by .onaction = stuff, or by another sub, keeping the control testing out of that macro makes it more 'independant'? I am not suggesting not testing in the macro, just not using a parameter as the way to pass the variable. 2. Are you saying that if a macro has to perform let's say 4 processes, where much of the code is the same, that I should write 4 subs and NOT vary the function via an argument? e.g. In my app it's prudent to control several worksheet, ws, processes, so I have an array of 'reserved' ws names. I don't mind a user hiding the ws or shifting its ws name tab to the left or right, arg = "hide" or "move", but I'd like to draw a line in the sand when arg = "delete" or arg = "insert" depending upon the name chosen. Not at all, just use a different method. As I showed you, you can set a property of the commandbar control at any point in your code, and you can test that property very easily within the OnAction macro using Application.CommandBars.ActionControl which points at the currently activated control. |
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