I see so many different ways to get the last row/ last column/ last cell ona
sheet.

Since I need to use these functions so often, I am wondering what is truly
and definitively the best (most accurate, most efficient & quickest, in that
order) way to determine last row and/or last column, and/or last cell.

there are several ways on this thread alone:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...=en-us&m=1&p=1

What is the best way, and why?

For a specific column or row, I always use code like

Dim LastRow As Long
Dim LastCol As Long
LastRow = ActiveSheet.Cells(Rows.Count, "A").End(xlUp).Row ' Column A
LastCol = ActiveSheet.Cells(1, Columns.Count).End(xlToLeft).Column ' Row 1
Debug.Print LastRow, LastCol

It works fine and I use it all the time in my commercial applications.


--
Cordially,
Chip Pearson
Microsoft MVP - Excel
Pearson Software Consulting, LLC
www.cpearson.com
(email address is on the web site)


"justme" wrote in message
...
I see so many different ways to get the last row/ last column/ last cell
ona
sheet.

Since I need to use these functions so often, I am wondering what is truly
and definitively the best (most accurate, most efficient & quickest, in
that
order) way to determine last row and/or last column, and/or last cell.

there are several ways on this thread alone:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...=en-us&m=1&p=1

What is the best way, and why?

Chip,

This code is so short and simple. If it works for everything, then why would
people go through writing all sorts of functions to be called, etc. to figure
out the same thing?

Thanks

Chip's code will only work if all cells in A have data
LastRow = ActiveSheet.Cells(Rows.Count, "A").End(xlUp).Row ' Column A

See my site for another way
http://www.rondebruin.nl/copy1.htm

Text from my site:

You can also check one row or column to find the last cell with a value.

Lr = Sheets("sheet2").Range("A" & Rows.Count).End(xlUp).Offset(1, 0).Row
This will give you the last row with data in Column A + 1 Row

Lc = Sheets("Sheet2").Range("IV1").End(xlToLeft).Offset (0, 1).Column
This will give you the last column with data in Row 1 + 1 column

Be aware that if you copy a range with also empty cells in it, It is possible that
the next time you copy to Sheets("Sheet2")some lines will be overwritten.
Use the Functions to avoid this kind of problems.



--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"justme" wrote in message ...

Chip,

This code is so short and simple. If it works for everything, then why would
people go through writing all sorts of functions to be called, etc. to figure
out the same thing?

Thanks

Chip's code will only work if all cells in A have data

I think you mean that if at least one cell in A has data, which I took as an
assumption. It will fail if A(Rows.Count) has data in it. But I NEVER let
data go down that far. It in no way requires that ALL the cells in A have
data. It will return the last row even if A has blanks interspersed within
the data. Unless A is completely empty or A(Rows.Count) has data, it works
fine.


--
Cordially,
Chip Pearson
Microsoft MVP - Excel
Pearson Software Consulting, LLC
www.cpearson.com
(email address is on the web site)


"Ron de Bruin" wrote in message
...
Chip's code will only work if all cells in A have data
LastRow = ActiveSheet.Cells(Rows.Count, "A").End(xlUp).Row ' Column A

See my site for another way
http://www.rondebruin.nl/copy1.htm

Text from my site:

You can also check one row or column to find the last cell with a value.

Lr = Sheets("sheet2").Range("A" & Rows.Count).End(xlUp).Offset(1, 0).Row
This will give you the last row with data in Column A + 1 Row

Lc = Sheets("Sheet2").Range("IV1").End(xlToLeft).Offset (0, 1).Column
This will give you the last column with data in Row 1 + 1 column

Be aware that if you copy a range with also empty cells in it, It is
possible that the next time you copy to Sheets("Sheet2")some lines will be
overwritten.
Use the Functions to avoid this kind of problems.



--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"justme" wrote in message
...

Chip,

This code is so short and simple. If it works for everything, then why
would people go through writing all sorts of functions to be called, etc.
to figure out the same thing?

Thanks

Ron,
I am not sure why you are falsely disparaging Chip's code, then posting
functionally identical code???

Your motivation escapes me???

Even if he had suggested xlDown, it seems you could have been less insulting
in your response particularly to someone who was posting excellent solutions
back when you were a newby asking for help.


Chip: LastRow = ActiveSheet.Cells(Rows.Count, "A").End(xlUp).Row ' Column A
Ron: Lr = Sheets("sheet2").Range("A" & Rows.Count).End(xlUp).Offset(1,
0).Row

Chip: LastCol = ActiveSheet.Cells(1, Columns.Count).End(xlToLeft).Column '
Row 1
Ron: Lc = Sheets("Sheet2").Range("IV1").End(xlToLeft).Offset (0, 1).Column

As I said, functionally, I don't see the difference (besides you add 1 to
the result which you explained).

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy




"Ron de Bruin" wrote in message
...
Chip's code will only work if all cells in A have data
LastRow = ActiveSheet.Cells(Rows.Count, "A").End(xlUp).Row ' Column A

See my site for another way
http://www.rondebruin.nl/copy1.htm

Text from my site:

You can also check one row or column to find the last cell with a value.

Lr = Sheets("sheet2").Range("A" & Rows.Count).End(xlUp).Offset(1, 0).Row
This will give you the last row with data in Column A + 1 Row

Lc = Sheets("Sheet2").Range("IV1").End(xlToLeft).Offset (0, 1).Column
This will give you the last column with data in Row 1 + 1 column

Be aware that if you copy a range with also empty cells in it, It is
possible that the next time you copy to Sheets("Sheet2")some lines will be
overwritten.
Use the Functions to avoid this kind of problems.



--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"justme" wrote in message
...

Chip,

This code is so short and simple. If it works for everything, then why
would people go through writing all sorts of functions to be called, etc.
to figure out the same thing?

Thanks

Hi Chip/Tom

If you only want to know it for one column there is no problem
There are a few postings about last cells today so maybe I am confused <g

But if you copy a range to the last row + 1 in A and the range have empty cell in A the next time
It will overwrite data.

That's why I say use the function

See my site for another way
http://www.rondebruin.nl/copy1.htm

Be aware that if you copy a range with also empty cells in it, It is
possible that the next time you copy to Sheets("Sheet2")some lines will be
overwritten.

Sorry, I have to much xml in my head . <vbg


--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"Chip Pearson" wrote in message ...
Chip's code will only work if all cells in A have data

I think you mean that if at least one cell in A has data, which I took as an
assumption. It will fail if A(Rows.Count) has data in it. But I NEVER let
data go down that far. It in no way requires that ALL the cells in A have
data. It will return the last row even if A has blanks interspersed within
the data. Unless A is completely empty or A(Rows.Count) has data, it works
fine.


--
Cordially,
Chip Pearson
Microsoft MVP - Excel
Pearson Software Consulting, LLC
www.cpearson.com
(email address is on the web site)


"Ron de Bruin" wrote in message
...
Chip's code will only work if all cells in A have data
LastRow = ActiveSheet.Cells(Rows.Count, "A").End(xlUp).Row ' Column A

See my site for another way
http://www.rondebruin.nl/copy1.htm

Text from my site:

You can also check one row or column to find the last cell with a value.

Lr = Sheets("sheet2").Range("A" & Rows.Count).End(xlUp).Offset(1, 0).Row
This will give you the last row with data in Column A + 1 Row

Lc = Sheets("Sheet2").Range("IV1").End(xlToLeft).Offset (0, 1).Column
This will give you the last column with data in Row 1 + 1 column

Be aware that if you copy a range with also empty cells in it, It is
possible that the next time you copy to Sheets("Sheet2")some lines will be
overwritten.
Use the Functions to avoid this kind of problems.



--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"justme" wrote in message
...

Chip,

This code is so short and simple. If it works for everything, then why
would people go through writing all sorts of functions to be called, etc.
to figure out the same thing?

Thanks

Ron,


Ron If you only want to know it for one column there is no problem
and that is what Chip Said:

Chip For a specific column or row, I always use code like

Also, the OP's question and Chip's answer had nothing to do with copying.
You added that scenario and then used it to "discredit" Chip's answer or at
least point it out as flawed as I read it???



Just as an added consideration, the lastrow function you have found in this
newgroup and documented on your site has limitations as well. If any
scenario is to be fantasized, then if column M (as an example) contained
unrelated data farther down the sheet, the function would return the
incorrect value for the last row in column A. Also, Find does not find a
cell containing the Null string "" entered when you do edit=copy and then
edit paste special, values for a cell containing the formula like
=If(true,"",""), which may or may not be desirable (end(xlup) does). So
while a robust solution, certainly not universal or for use without
understanding (undocumented on your site).


--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy








"Ron de Bruin" wrote in message
...
Hi Chip/Tom

If you only want to know it for one column there is no problem
There are a few postings about last cells today so maybe I am confused <g

But if you copy a range to the last row + 1 in A and the range have empty
cell in A the next time
It will overwrite data.

That's why I say use the function

See my site for another way
http://www.rondebruin.nl/copy1.htm

Be aware that if you copy a range with also empty cells in it, It is
possible that the next time you copy to Sheets("Sheet2")some lines will
be overwritten.

Sorry, I have to much xml in my head . <vbg


--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"Chip Pearson" wrote in message
...
Chip's code will only work if all cells in A have data

I think you mean that if at least one cell in A has data, which I took as
an assumption. It will fail if A(Rows.Count) has data in it. But I NEVER
let data go down that far. It in no way requires that ALL the cells in A
have data. It will return the last row even if A has blanks interspersed
within the data. Unless A is completely empty or A(Rows.Count) has data,
it works fine.


--
Cordially,
Chip Pearson
Microsoft MVP - Excel
Pearson Software Consulting, LLC
www.cpearson.com
(email address is on the web site)


"Ron de Bruin" wrote in message
...
Chip's code will only work if all cells in A have data
LastRow = ActiveSheet.Cells(Rows.Count, "A").End(xlUp).Row ' Column A

See my site for another way
http://www.rondebruin.nl/copy1.htm

Text from my site:

You can also check one row or column to find the last cell with a value.

Lr = Sheets("sheet2").Range("A" & Rows.Count).End(xlUp).Offset(1, 0).Row
This will give you the last row with data in Column A + 1 Row

Lc = Sheets("Sheet2").Range("IV1").End(xlToLeft).Offset (0, 1).Column
This will give you the last column with data in Row 1 + 1 column

Be aware that if you copy a range with also empty cells in it, It is
possible that the next time you copy to Sheets("Sheet2")some lines will
be overwritten.
Use the Functions to avoid this kind of problems.



--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"justme" wrote in message
...

Chip,

This code is so short and simple. If it works for everything, then why
would people go through writing all sorts of functions to be called,
etc. to figure out the same thing?

Thanks

Thanks for the info Tom

While working on other things I better not answering newsgroup postings the next time.

Sorry


--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"Tom Ogilvy" wrote in message ...
Ron,


Ron If you only want to know it for one column there is no problem
and that is what Chip Said:

Chip For a specific column or row, I always use code like

Also, the OP's question and Chip's answer had nothing to do with copying.
You added that scenario and then used it to "discredit" Chip's answer or at
least point it out as flawed as I read it???



Just as an added consideration, the lastrow function you have found in this
newgroup and documented on your site has limitations as well. If any
scenario is to be fantasized, then if column M (as an example) contained
unrelated data farther down the sheet, the function would return the
incorrect value for the last row in column A. Also, Find does not find a
cell containing the Null string "" entered when you do edit=copy and then
edit paste special, values for a cell containing the formula like
=If(true,"",""), which may or may not be desirable (end(xlup) does). So
while a robust solution, certainly not universal or for use without
understanding (undocumented on your site).


--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy








"Ron de Bruin" wrote in message
...
Hi Chip/Tom

If you only want to know it for one column there is no problem
There are a few postings about last cells today so maybe I am confused <g

But if you copy a range to the last row + 1 in A and the range have empty
cell in A the next time
It will overwrite data.

That's why I say use the function

See my site for another way
http://www.rondebruin.nl/copy1.htm

Be aware that if you copy a range with also empty cells in it, It is
possible that the next time you copy to Sheets("Sheet2")some lines will
be overwritten.

Sorry, I have to much xml in my head . <vbg


--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"Chip Pearson" wrote in message
...
Chip's code will only work if all cells in A have data

I think you mean that if at least one cell in A has data, which I took as
an assumption. It will fail if A(Rows.Count) has data in it. But I NEVER
let data go down that far. It in no way requires that ALL the cells in A
have data. It will return the last row even if A has blanks interspersed
within the data. Unless A is completely empty or A(Rows.Count) has data,
it works fine.


--
Cordially,
Chip Pearson
Microsoft MVP - Excel
Pearson Software Consulting, LLC
www.cpearson.com
(email address is on the web site)


"Ron de Bruin" wrote in message
...
Chip's code will only work if all cells in A have data
LastRow = ActiveSheet.Cells(Rows.Count, "A").End(xlUp).Row ' Column A

See my site for another way
http://www.rondebruin.nl/copy1.htm

Text from my site:

You can also check one row or column to find the last cell with a value.

Lr = Sheets("sheet2").Range("A" & Rows.Count).End(xlUp).Offset(1, 0).Row
This will give you the last row with data in Column A + 1 Row

Lc = Sheets("Sheet2").Range("IV1").End(xlToLeft).Offset (0, 1).Column
This will give you the last column with data in Row 1 + 1 column

Be aware that if you copy a range with also empty cells in it, It is
possible that the next time you copy to Sheets("Sheet2")some lines will
be overwritten.
Use the Functions to avoid this kind of problems.



--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"justme" wrote in message
...

Chip,

This code is so short and simple. If it works for everything, then why
would people go through writing all sorts of functions to be called,
etc. to figure out the same thing?

Thanks

Hi everybody,

Thank you all for your responses. I was actually looking for a formula that
would always find the last cell in a sheet no matter which column was the
longest, i.e. last row, last column. Is there such a thing?

thank you.

Hi justme

Harlan posted this two functions

You can use them in a worksheet cell like this

=lc()

and

=lr()


Function lr(Optional r As Range) As Variant
Dim ur As Range, c As Range, i As Long, n As Long

'there arguments for & against volatility - optional to uncomment
Application.Volatile

If r Is Nothing Then Set r = Application.Caller
If Not TypeOf r Is Range Then Set r = ActiveCell

Set ur = r.Parent.UsedRange
n = ur.Rows.Count

For i = n To 1 Step -1
Set c = ur.Cells(i, 1)
If Not IsEmpty(c.Value) Then Exit For
If Not IsEmpty(c.End(xlToRight).Value) Then Exit For
Next i

lr = ur.Row + i - 1
End Function


Function lc(Optional r As Range) As Variant
Dim ur As Range, c As Range, i As Long, n As Long

'there arguments for & against volatility - optional to uncomment
Application.Volatile

If r Is Nothing Then Set r = Application.Caller
If Not TypeOf r Is Range Then Set r = ActiveCell

Set ur = r.Parent.UsedRange
n = ur.Columns.Count

For i = n To 1 Step -1
Set c = ur.Cells(1, i)
If Not IsEmpty(c.Value) Then Exit For
If Not IsEmpty(c.End(xlDown).Value) Then Exit For
Next i

lc = ur.Column + i - 1
End Function

--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"justme" wrote in message ...
Hi everybody,

Thank you all for your responses. I was actually looking for a formula that
would always find the last cell in a sheet no matter which column was the
longest, i.e. last row, last column. Is there such a thing?

thank you.

A formula or code.

for code:
Ron gave you a link to the lastrow and lastcol functions which you have
already used per a previous thread.

Any formula should be based on the data being used. Otherwise you waste
resources checking things that don't need to be checked.

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy



"justme" wrote in message
...
Hi everybody,

Thank you all for your responses. I was actually looking for a formula
that
would always find the last cell in a sheet no matter which column was the
longest, i.e. last row, last column. Is there such a thing?

thank you.

Hello All,

Actually, I did mean code. I have not had much sleep lately.

Here is what I am getting at, Tom: I have seen different ways to find the
last row or last column or last cell, using find(What) or xllastcell or
usedRange or rows.count. Many of them rely on a certain row or column to be
named, or some other condition. Some of them require calling functions and
some don't. Some go down to row 65536 and back up again. Ron's post above is
yet another. But I would just like to know which is the most reliable to use
on any worksheet, sight unseen, whether you're not sure which column is the
longest, if rows are missing, if a cell here or there is gone or if there are
large gaps in data areas, what would be the most reliable, most succinct code
(and hopefully doesn't take too long).

I just want to find the best, all-inclusive way so I don't have to take
everything into account about any particular worksheet when I want to find a
"last". So I am looking for expert opinions.

I think the following sub posted by you, Tom may be the answer, but I don't
know if there are things it may not take into account, and that's why I
started this thread.

Dim RealLastRow As Long
Dim RealLastColumn As Long
Range("A1").Select
'On Error Resume Next
RealLastRow = _
Cells.Find("*", [A1], , , xlByRows, xlPrevious).Row
RealLastColumn = _
Cells.Find("*", [A1], , , xlByColumns, xlPrevious).Column
Cells(RealLastRow, RealLastColumn).Select ' find last row




I really appreciate all the posts here and the others I have found. I copy
many of them to my notebook.

for that scenario, use the lastrow and lastcol functions at Ron's site:

http://www.rondebruin.nl/copy1.htm
"justme" wrote in message
...
Hello All,

Actually, I did mean code. I have not had much sleep lately.

Here is what I am getting at, Tom: I have seen different ways to find
the
last row or last column or last cell, using find(What) or xllastcell or
usedRange or rows.count. Many of them rely on a certain row or column to
be
named, or some other condition. Some of them require calling functions
and
some don't. Some go down to row 65536 and back up again. Ron's post above
is
yet another. But I would just like to know which is the most reliable to
use
on any worksheet, sight unseen, whether you're not sure which column is
the
longest, if rows are missing, if a cell here or there is gone or if there
are
large gaps in data areas, what would be the most reliable, most succinct
code
(and hopefully doesn't take too long).

I just want to find the best, all-inclusive way so I don't have to take
everything into account about any particular worksheet when I want to find
a
"last". So I am looking for expert opinions.

I think the following sub posted by you, Tom may be the answer, but I
don't
know if there are things it may not take into account, and that's why I
started this thread.

Dim RealLastRow As Long
Dim RealLastColumn As Long
Range("A1").Select
'On Error Resume Next
RealLastRow = _
Cells.Find("*", [A1], , , xlByRows, xlPrevious).Row
RealLastColumn = _
Cells.Find("*", [A1], , , xlByColumns, xlPrevious).Column
Cells(RealLastRow, RealLastColumn).Select ' find last row




I really appreciate all the posts here and the others I have found. I copy
many of them to my notebook.

For that scenario, use Ron's implementation of lastrow and last column
functions at http://www.rondebruin.nl/copy1.htm

It uses the same approach as what you attributed to me but breaks it into
two parts. My code (not originated by me), uses the separate last row and
column locations to identify the cell at their intersection - so it gives
the lastcell from a rectangle perspective.

note: Don't be mislead by
Cells(rows.count,column).End(xlup)

this operates almost instantaneously.

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy


"justme" wrote in message
...
Hello All,

Actually, I did mean code. I have not had much sleep lately.

Here is what I am getting at, Tom: I have seen different ways to find
the
last row or last column or last cell, using find(What) or xllastcell or
usedRange or rows.count. Many of them rely on a certain row or column to
be
named, or some other condition. Some of them require calling functions
and
some don't. Some go down to row 65536 and back up again. Ron's post above
is
yet another. But I would just like to know which is the most reliable to
use
on any worksheet, sight unseen, whether you're not sure which column is
the
longest, if rows are missing, if a cell here or there is gone or if there
are
large gaps in data areas, what would be the most reliable, most succinct
code
(and hopefully doesn't take too long).

I just want to find the best, all-inclusive way so I don't have to take
everything into account about any particular worksheet when I want to find
a
"last". So I am looking for expert opinions.

I think the following sub posted by you, Tom may be the answer, but I
don't
know if there are things it may not take into account, and that's why I
started this thread.

Dim RealLastRow As Long
Dim RealLastColumn As Long
Range("A1").Select
'On Error Resume Next
RealLastRow = _
Cells.Find("*", [A1], , , xlByRows, xlPrevious).Row
RealLastColumn = _
Cells.Find("*", [A1], , , xlByColumns, xlPrevious).Column
Cells(RealLastRow, RealLastColumn).Select ' find last row




I really appreciate all the posts here and the others I have found. I copy
many of them to my notebook.

Thank you, everyone, for your time. This is great.


:) :) :)