Hi all,

I notice something in user defined name ranges.
I inherited an Excel file with close to 30 name ranges. When I ran one of
my routines to extract all the names and ranges of the user defined name
ranges, I noticed they were all in absolute format, for example:
Sheet1!$C$70:$C$193. Normally I thought that means the references do not
change.

The reason for my concern was that there are two adjacent ranges separated
by three rows, so as I expand downward from the first range, as in inserting
new rows, the existing rows would continue to move down, but the referenced
range would stay static, and would still stay the same, or so I thought, but
apparently the user defined name ranges also changes as rows were inserted,
thus, the named range stays intact. I was not aware this was possible when
absolute cell reference is used with the $ sign like above? I am perplex.
Please share your thoughts, thanks in advance.

Ben
--

Why are you perplexed. It works exactly the same in Excel formulas.
Absolute and relative are applied when the formula itself is copied. It you
don't want the reference to move, use Indirect

Refersto: =Indirect("Sheet1!$C$70:$C$193")

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy


"Ben" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I notice something in user defined name ranges.
I inherited an Excel file with close to 30 name ranges. When I ran one
of
my routines to extract all the names and ranges of the user defined name
ranges, I noticed they were all in absolute format, for example:
Sheet1!$C$70:$C$193. Normally I thought that means the references do not
change.

The reason for my concern was that there are two adjacent ranges separated
by three rows, so as I expand downward from the first range, as in
inserting
new rows, the existing rows would continue to move down, but the
referenced
range would stay static, and would still stay the same, or so I thought,
but
apparently the user defined name ranges also changes as rows were
inserted,
thus, the named range stays intact. I was not aware this was possible
when
absolute cell reference is used with the $ sign like above? I am perplex.
Please share your thoughts, thanks in advance.

Ben
--

Normally I thought that means the references do not change.

Not at all. The 'absolute' only means that the range a name refers to does
not change when the active cell changes. By comparison, a 'relative' name
does change when the active cell changes.

Select A2 and create the name "UpOne" with the definition =A1 (no $s). Then
select another cell, say A10 and press F5 and Goto 'UpOne'. You'll go to
the cell one above the active cell, A9.

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Jim
"Ben" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I notice something in user defined name ranges.
I inherited an Excel file with close to 30 name ranges. When I ran one
of
my routines to extract all the names and ranges of the user defined name
ranges, I noticed they were all in absolute format, for example:
Sheet1!$C$70:$C$193. Normally I thought that means the references do not
change.

The reason for my concern was that there are two adjacent ranges separated
by three rows, so as I expand downward from the first range, as in
inserting
new rows, the existing rows would continue to move down, but the
referenced
range would stay static, and would still stay the same, or so I thought,
but
apparently the user defined name ranges also changes as rows were
inserted,
thus, the named range stays intact. I was not aware this was possible
when
absolute cell reference is used with the $ sign like above? I am perplex.
Please share your thoughts, thanks in advance.

Ben
--

I thought that when using absolute the address doesn't change, but in name
ranges the address of the range can change as columns and rows are added
right before the top left corner of the named range. For example $B2: $C4 is
the named range call it TEST, if I inserted two rows before $B$2, the new
TEST range is now $B$4:$C$6, the range moved. But prior to this, I thought
it would still be $B2: $C4

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"Tom Ogilvy" wrote:

Why are you perplexed. It works exactly the same in Excel formulas.
Absolute and relative are applied when the formula itself is copied. It you
don't want the reference to move, use Indirect

Refersto: =Indirect("Sheet1!$C$70:$C$193")

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy


"Ben" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I notice something in user defined name ranges.
I inherited an Excel file with close to 30 name ranges. When I ran one
of
my routines to extract all the names and ranges of the user defined name
ranges, I noticed they were all in absolute format, for example:
Sheet1!$C$70:$C$193. Normally I thought that means the references do not
change.

The reason for my concern was that there are two adjacent ranges separated
by three rows, so as I expand downward from the first range, as in
inserting
new rows, the existing rows would continue to move down, but the
referenced
range would stay static, and would still stay the same, or so I thought,
but
apparently the user defined name ranges also changes as rows were
inserted,
thus, the named range stays intact. I was not aware this was possible
when
absolute cell reference is used with the $ sign like above? I am perplex.
Please share your thoughts, thanks in advance.

Ben
--

I learned something new. Thanks gentlemen.

Ben

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"Jim Rech" wrote:

Normally I thought that means the references do not change.

Not at all. The 'absolute' only means that the range a name refers to does
not change when the active cell changes. By comparison, a 'relative' name
does change when the active cell changes.

Select A2 and create the name "UpOne" with the definition =A1 (no $s). Then
select another cell, say A10 and press F5 and Goto 'UpOne'. You'll go to
the cell one above the active cell, A9.

--
Jim
"Ben" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I notice something in user defined name ranges.
I inherited an Excel file with close to 30 name ranges. When I ran one
of
my routines to extract all the names and ranges of the user defined name
ranges, I noticed they were all in absolute format, for example:
Sheet1!$C$70:$C$193. Normally I thought that means the references do not
change.

The reason for my concern was that there are two adjacent ranges separated
by three rows, so as I expand downward from the first range, as in
inserting
new rows, the existing rows would continue to move down, but the
referenced
range would stay static, and would still stay the same, or so I thought,
but
apparently the user defined name ranges also changes as rows were
inserted,
thus, the named range stays intact. I was not aware this was possible
when
absolute cell reference is used with the $ sign like above? I am perplex.
Please share your thoughts, thanks in advance.

Ben
--

In A1 put in the formula
=SUM($B$2:$C$4)
then select row 2 and 3 and do Insert Row.

Now the fomrula in A1 reads:
=SUM($B$4:$C$6)

Same with defined names. So you thought incorrectly.

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy

"Ben" wrote in message
...
I thought that when using absolute the address doesn't change, but in name
ranges the address of the range can change as columns and rows are added
right before the top left corner of the named range. For example $B2: $C4
is
the named range call it TEST, if I inserted two rows before $B$2, the new
TEST range is now $B$4:$C$6, the range moved. But prior to this, I
thought
it would still be $B2: $C4

--



"Tom Ogilvy" wrote:

Why are you perplexed. It works exactly the same in Excel formulas.
Absolute and relative are applied when the formula itself is copied. It
you
don't want the reference to move, use Indirect

Refersto: =Indirect("Sheet1!$C$70:$C$193")

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy


"Ben" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I notice something in user defined name ranges.
I inherited an Excel file with close to 30 name ranges. When I ran
one
of
my routines to extract all the names and ranges of the user defined
name
ranges, I noticed they were all in absolute format, for example:
Sheet1!$C$70:$C$193. Normally I thought that means the references do
not
change.

The reason for my concern was that there are two adjacent ranges
separated
by three rows, so as I expand downward from the first range, as in
inserting
new rows, the existing rows would continue to move down, but the
referenced
range would stay static, and would still stay the same, or so I
thought,
but
apparently the user defined name ranges also changes as rows were
inserted,
thus, the named range stays intact. I was not aware this was
possible
when
absolute cell reference is used with the $ sign like above? I am
perplex.
Please share your thoughts, thanks in advance.

Ben
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