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Default CommandBar Controls

I have built menus and toolbars for my excel apps so I am familiar with
creating and setting up controls and buttons for commandbars. Now I am trying
to assign a FaceId to an msoControlButton, however this is not working. I can
assign FaceId's to buttons that I create, but not to standard ones like 'Save
As'

When I manually customize a toolbar I can add a control such as 'Save As',
then change it to default style, then select from one of the pictures. When I
try to record this in a macro I do not get any code for the FaceId change.

Ideas?
 
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