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Old August 4th 05, 11:31 AM
Neil Goldwasser
 
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Hi! I was just wondering if anybody knows of a character that comes AFTER z
in the sorting order?

Basically, I have a name defined list of members of staff, which I use as a
dropdown menu for entering data into certain fields. However, we take on new
staff all the time, and so I will need to be adding names to that list all
the time. Because this group is also used as a lookup vector, it needs to be
in alphabetical order too (and I'd prefer it that way anyway).

I did look at the "Update Multiple Validation Lists" file at
http://www.contextures.com/excelfiles.html
but I'm afraid I am a novice when it comes to macros, and couldn't manage to
alter the code to match the sheet names, columns etc... in my own workbook (I
don't have a clue which parameters to alter or how!).

So my basic method was that if I inserted new cells into the name defined
range, then the cells that the name refers to should expand accordingly. E.g.
if cells A1:A2 are named "list", I click on A2 and choose insert to put a new
cell between the two, then my "refers to" part on the define name menu
automatically changes from A1:A2 to A1:A3.

The problem is this - I need to make sure that there is ALWAYS one cell
below where I am inserting the new one, to make sure the range expands. If my
last entry was "Young", and I then needed to add a "Zackyros", the new cell
comes at the end, after the last cell, and I then need to manually go back to
re-define the named range.

I was hoping to add a "dummy" entry to the bottom of the list to ensure this
doesn't happen, e.g.
** END OF LIST **
but all the symbols I try come BEFORE alphabetical characters. I can't find
any that come after Z. If worst comes to the worst I could use
zzzz END OF LIST zzzz
but I thought it would be worth asking first.

Can anyone solve the riddle?
Many thanks in advance, Neil Goldwasser.

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Old August 4th 05, 12:43 PM
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To find characters that follow z go to the character map (Start, Run,
CHARMAP) and see the order of characters, for Arial ﻼ appears
to be the highest, this should help your sort, but not the look,
perhaps the zzzz is the better idea if users will see this.


Neil Goldwasser Wrote:
Hi! I was just wondering if anybody knows of a character that comes
AFTER z
in the sorting order?

Basically, I have a name defined list of members of staff, which I use
as a
dropdown menu for entering data into certain fields. However, we take
on new
staff all the time, and so I will need to be adding names to that list
all
the time. Because this group is also used as a lookup vector, it needs
to be
in alphabetical order too (and I'd prefer it that way anyway).

I did look at the "Update Multiple Validation Lists" file at
http://www.contextures.com/excelfiles.html
but I'm afraid I am a novice when it comes to macros, and couldn't
manage to
alter the code to match the sheet names, columns etc... in my own
workbook (I
don't have a clue which parameters to alter or how!).

So my basic method was that if I inserted new cells into the name
defined
range, then the cells that the name refers to should expand
accordingly. E.g.
if cells A1:A2 are named "list", I click on A2 and choose insert to put
a new
cell between the two, then my "refers to" part on the define name menu
automatically changes from A1:A2 to A1:A3.

The problem is this - I need to make sure that there is ALWAYS one
cell
below where I am inserting the new one, to make sure the range expands.
If my
last entry was "Young", and I then needed to add a "Zackyros", the new
cell
comes at the end, after the last cell, and I then need to manually go
back to
re-define the named range.

I was hoping to add a "dummy" entry to the bottom of the list to ensure
this
doesn't happen, e.g.
** END OF LIST **
but all the symbols I try come BEFORE alphabetical characters. I can't
find
any that come after Z. If worst comes to the worst I could use
zzzz END OF LIST zzzz
but I thought it would be worth asking first.

Can anyone solve the riddle?
Many thanks in advance, Neil Goldwasser.



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Old August 4th 05, 01:15 PM
Gary's Student
 
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the lower case z is CHAR(122). There are two characters after it:

CHAR(142) and CHAR(158)
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"Bryan Hessey" wrote:


To find characters that follow z go to the character map (Start, Run,
CHARMAP) and see the order of characters, for Arial ﻼ appears
to be the highest, this should help your sort, but not the look,
perhaps the zzzz is the better idea if users will see this.


Neil Goldwasser Wrote:
Hi! I was just wondering if anybody knows of a character that comes
AFTER z
in the sorting order?

Basically, I have a name defined list of members of staff, which I use
as a
dropdown menu for entering data into certain fields. However, we take
on new
staff all the time, and so I will need to be adding names to that list
all
the time. Because this group is also used as a lookup vector, it needs
to be
in alphabetical order too (and I'd prefer it that way anyway).

I did look at the "Update Multiple Validation Lists" file at
http://www.contextures.com/excelfiles.html
but I'm afraid I am a novice when it comes to macros, and couldn't
manage to
alter the code to match the sheet names, columns etc... in my own
workbook (I
don't have a clue which parameters to alter or how!).

So my basic method was that if I inserted new cells into the name
defined
range, then the cells that the name refers to should expand
accordingly. E.g.
if cells A1:A2 are named "list", I click on A2 and choose insert to put
a new
cell between the two, then my "refers to" part on the define name menu
automatically changes from A1:A2 to A1:A3.

The problem is this - I need to make sure that there is ALWAYS one
cell
below where I am inserting the new one, to make sure the range expands.
If my
last entry was "Young", and I then needed to add a "Zackyros", the new
cell
comes at the end, after the last cell, and I then need to manually go
back to
re-define the named range.

I was hoping to add a "dummy" entry to the bottom of the list to ensure
this
doesn't happen, e.g.
** END OF LIST **
but all the symbols I try come BEFORE alphabetical characters. I can't
find
any that come after Z. If worst comes to the worst I could use
zzzz END OF LIST zzzz
but I thought it would be worth asking first.

Can anyone solve the riddle?
Many thanks in advance, Neil Goldwasser.



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Old August 4th 05, 01:44 PM
Neil Goldwasser
 
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Thanks. I tried the character map thing (never seen it before) but I didn't
know what the ﻼ bit meant in your post.

Yes, the users will see the list, so unless there is a nice neat symbol e.g.
bullet point, arrow etc... that will come after z, it looks like I'll go with
the zzzzz idea.

What do I do with the character map though?
Neil Goldwasser



"Gary's Student" wrote:

the lower case z is CHAR(122). There are two characters after it:

CHAR(142) and CHAR(158)
--
Gary's Student


"Bryan Hessey" wrote:


To find characters that follow z go to the character map (Start, Run,
CHARMAP) and see the order of characters, for Arial ﻼ appears
to be the highest, this should help your sort, but not the look,
perhaps the zzzz is the better idea if users will see this.


Neil Goldwasser Wrote:
Hi! I was just wondering if anybody knows of a character that comes
AFTER z
in the sorting order?

Basically, I have a name defined list of members of staff, which I use
as a
dropdown menu for entering data into certain fields. However, we take
on new
staff all the time, and so I will need to be adding names to that list
all
the time. Because this group is also used as a lookup vector, it needs
to be
in alphabetical order too (and I'd prefer it that way anyway).

I did look at the "Update Multiple Validation Lists" file at
http://www.contextures.com/excelfiles.html
but I'm afraid I am a novice when it comes to macros, and couldn't
manage to
alter the code to match the sheet names, columns etc... in my own
workbook (I
don't have a clue which parameters to alter or how!).

So my basic method was that if I inserted new cells into the name
defined
range, then the cells that the name refers to should expand
accordingly. E.g.
if cells A1:A2 are named "list", I click on A2 and choose insert to put
a new
cell between the two, then my "refers to" part on the define name menu
automatically changes from A1:A2 to A1:A3.

The problem is this - I need to make sure that there is ALWAYS one
cell
below where I am inserting the new one, to make sure the range expands.
If my
last entry was "Young", and I then needed to add a "Zackyros", the new
cell
comes at the end, after the last cell, and I then need to manually go
back to
re-define the named range.

I was hoping to add a "dummy" entry to the bottom of the list to ensure
this
doesn't happen, e.g.
** END OF LIST **
but all the symbols I try come BEFORE alphabetical characters. I can't
find
any that come after Z. If worst comes to the worst I could use
zzzz END OF LIST zzzz
but I thought it would be worth asking first.

Can anyone solve the riddle?
Many thanks in advance, Neil Goldwasser.



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Old August 5th 05, 05:02 AM
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I think the ZZZ is the best option, it won't confuse your users (except
the ones that want to know who Ms ZZZ End of File is)

The map is just to display the code used to generate which character in
whatever Font is currently selected, thus if you hold the Alt key and
type (using the numeric keypad on the right side of your keyboard) 090
(zero-nine-zero) then release the Alt key you should produce a Z

Also, check your sort, I think uppercase Z sorts after lowercase z.


Neil Goldwasser Wrote:
Thanks. I tried the character map thing (never seen it before) but I
didn't
know what the ﻼ bit meant in your post.

Yes, the users will see the list, so unless there is a nice neat symbol
e.g.
bullet point, arrow etc... that will come after z, it looks like I'll
go with
the zzzzz idea.

What do I do with the character map though?
Neil Goldwasser



"Gary's Student" wrote:

the lower case z is CHAR(122). There are two characters after it:

CHAR(142) and CHAR(158)
--
Gary's Student


"Bryan Hessey" wrote:


To find characters that follow z go to the character map (Start,

Run,
CHARMAP) and see the order of characters, for Arial ﻼ appears
to be the highest, this should help your sort, but not the look,
perhaps the zzzz is the better idea if users will see this.


Neil Goldwasser Wrote:
Hi! I was just wondering if anybody knows of a character that

comes
AFTER z
in the sorting order?

Basically, I have a name defined list of members of staff, which

I use
as a
dropdown menu for entering data into certain fields. However, we

take
on new
staff all the time, and so I will need to be adding names to that

list
all
the time. Because this group is also used as a lookup vector, it

needs
to be
in alphabetical order too (and I'd prefer it that way anyway).

I did look at the "Update Multiple Validation Lists" file at
http://www.contextures.com/excelfiles.html
but I'm afraid I am a novice when it comes to macros, and

couldn't
manage to
alter the code to match the sheet names, columns etc... in my

own
workbook (I
don't have a clue which parameters to alter or how!).

So my basic method was that if I inserted new cells into the

name
defined
range, then the cells that the name refers to should expand
accordingly. E.g.
if cells A1:A2 are named "list", I click on A2 and choose insert

to put
a new
cell between the two, then my "refers to" part on the define name

menu
automatically changes from A1:A2 to A1:A3.

The problem is this - I need to make sure that there is ALWAYS

one
cell
below where I am inserting the new one, to make sure the range

expands.
If my
last entry was "Young", and I then needed to add a "Zackyros",

the new
cell
comes at the end, after the last cell, and I then need to

manually go
back to
re-define the named range.

I was hoping to add a "dummy" entry to the bottom of the list to

ensure
this
doesn't happen, e.g.
** END OF LIST **
but all the symbols I try come BEFORE alphabetical characters. I

can't
find
any that come after Z. If worst comes to the worst I could use
zzzz END OF LIST zzzz
but I thought it would be worth asking first.

Can anyone solve the riddle?
Many thanks in advance, Neil Goldwasser.


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