"Jerry W. Lewis" wrote:
Thanks for the reference to msnews.microsoft.com
that does seem to work for MS news groups.
But note that the MSnews server deletes articles after 90 days, at least in
the m.s.excel* newsgroups. Fortunately, Google Groups archives articles
"forever" -- well, from May 1996 anyway.
Recently, my posts have been through
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...fault.mspx?d=1
[....]
I have seen no evidence that MS continues to
index the microsoft.public.excel group at all.
You are simply using the "wrong" MSDG web interface.
I use
www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us. It does provide
access to m.s.excel. You use
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...s/default.mspx. It does not provide
access to m.s.excel, as you note.
I did not realize there is another URL. There is some sense to it:
www.microsoft.com/communities provides access to more than just MS Office
"discussion groups".
Nonetheless, they both access the same "discussion group" archive, which I
call the MSDG server. The server has the internal name
tk2msftsbfm01.phx.gbl with at least two internal network addresses,
10.40.244.148 and 10.40.244.149. The two logical interfaces do not
distinguish the two web interfaces. Some of my postings go through the
*.148 interface; others go through the *.149 interface; all were entered
through the same web site,
www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us.
The fact that the two different MS web interfaces provide different views of
the Office/Excel "discussion groups" is yet-another example that MS does not
have its act together, IMHO. So what else is new?
Anyway, if you want to access the Office/Excel "discussion groups" on the
MSDG server per se, use the
www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us
interface. It provides the more complete list of the Office/Excel
"discussion groups". The content of the "discussion groups" common to both
web interfaces is the same.
Of course, the MSnews server is more direct and more reliable. But I
sometimes use the MSDG server to respond to other MSDG users because there
tends to be a 30-40-min delay for MSnews server postings to be pulled by the
MSDG server. On the other hand, MSDG server postings tend to be pushed to
the MSnews server in a timely manner.
----- original message -----
"Jerry W. Lewis" wrote in message
...
Recently, my posts have been through
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...fault.mspx?d=1
when an interesting thread showed up on a Google filter for key words that
I
follow. That recent approach is becoming increasingly unsatisfactory,
because there seems to be a significant lag in Google indexing, plus
finding
the threads that I want to respond to in the MS interface is becoming more
unreliable. In particular, I have seen no evidence that MS continues to
index the microsoft.public.excel group at all.
Prior to that I subscribed to newsgroups in Thunderbird through my ISP's
news server, but my ISP no longer supports that
Thanks for the reference to
msnews.microsoft.com
that does seem to work for MS news groups.
Jerry
"Joe User" wrote:
"David Biddulph" <groups [at] biddulph.org.uk wrote:
If your ISP doesn't support NNTP access, use the server
msnews.microsoft.com
If you mean using Outlook Express, Windows Mail or something similar to
set
up an "account" that connects to the MSnews server, that __does__ use the
NNTP protocol.
But most people do not use the correct terminology when talking about
newsgroups (aka discussion groups). So it is unclear exactly what Jerry
means.
When I look back at Jerry's postings (e.g. Nov 2008), everything is
consistent with his posting through the MS Discussion Groups server, and
it
is consistent with his latest posting [1]. But he might have been
unaware
of that if he was using an interface provided by his ISP.
I wouldn't mind understanding this in more detail. What did Jerry do
exactly in the past? What did he do differently for his latest posting?
(We should probably take this discussion to a new thread or offline using
email.)
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Endnotes
[1] Relevant headers from Jerry's latest posting:
Message-ID:
X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
NNTP-Posting-Host: tk2msftibfm01.phx.gbl 10.40.244.149
Headers from Jerry's Nov 2008 posting (and many others):
Message-ID:
X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
NNTP-Posting-Host: tk2msftibfm01.phx.gbl 10.40.244.149
Compare with headers for my posting through the MSDG web interface:
Message-ID:
X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
NNTP-Posting-Host: tk2msftibfm01.phx.gbl 10.40.244.149
Constrast with headers from my posting through the MSnews server using
OE:
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
Message-ID:
NNTP-Posting-Host: c-24-6-189-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net 24.6.189.80
The domain name (suffix) in the Message-ID header is usually indicative
of
the server to which the message was posted: microsoft.com for the MSDG
server; phx.gbl for the MSnews server. However, the posting agent (local
program) can create its own Message-ID header.
However, also note the NNTP-Posting-Host header.
----- original message -----
"David Biddulph" <groups [at] biddulph.org.uk wrote in message
...
If your ISP doesn't support NNTP access, use the server
msnews.microsoft.com
--
David Biddulph
"Jerry W. Lewis" wrote in message
...
This is intended as an addendum to
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...affa04b5577be3
which I cannot reply to directly because the MS community interface
appears
to no longer support replying to the microsoft.public.excel group, my
ISP
no
longer supports NNTP newsgroups at all, and Google does not support
posts
without displaying my real e-mail address.
...
.