I see your point.

But I think you're stretching it a bit with a name that looks like that! <vbg.

I can understand the problem with generic code that has to run against any
workbook (like Jan Karel's name manager). But in real life, I don't think I've
ever used a name like that. Have you?

Either way, I learned a lot about names and limitations and have another good
reason to use Jan Karel's addin!



Peter T wrote:

Dave,

You're not going to like this, but I don't think it solves
the problem.

Sub MakeSomename()
Dim wk As Worksheet, sName As String
sName = "somename"

For Each nm In ActiveWorkbook.Names
If nm.Name Like "*" & sName Then nm.Delete
Next

ActiveWorkbook.Names.Add Name:=sName, _
RefersToR1C1:="=Sheet1!R7C2"
For Each wk In ActiveWorkbook.Worksheets
i = i + 1
wk.Names.Add Name:=sName, _
RefersToR1C1:="=R1C" & i
Next

For Each nm In ActiveWorkbook.Names
Debug.Print nm.Name, nm
Next
Debug.Print
End Sub

Try MakeSomename, then your testme02C(), then check what
names are left.

Seems the only way is to find and activate a sheet that
does not have Sheet name "somename". If no such sheet
exists, add and activate a new sheet.

I tried building an array of "samename" refersto strings
and relative sheetnames, deleting all "samename", then
rebuilding the sheet level names. But I think that
approach is fraught with problems. I also suspect the new
sheet method might give problems in certain situations.

Don't think there is any problem to reliably reference the
correct book name, only to delete.

Jan Karel suggested the method, then went on to hint - try
it, stumble on unforeseen problems, make a ton of code,
give up, resort to NameManager.xla !

Regards,
Peter

PS For googlers, part of this thread is under the shorter
subject line:
"trouble returning a workbook level Name object "

-----Original Message-----
Ahh. I thought Brian just wanted the reference to the
range--not to delete the
name. (I only missed that a handful of times!)

And I (now) see the problem when deleting that name.

Maybe going to that worksheet, deleting the name and
coming back would be worth
the effort.

Option Explicit
Sub testme02C()

Dim myName As Name
Dim myStr As String
Dim myRngAddr As String
Dim curSelAddr As String
Dim ActCellAddr As String

myStr = "somename"

application.screenupdating = false

For Each myName In ActiveWorkbook.Names
If LCase(myName.Name) = LCase(myStr)
Then
myRngAddr = myName.RefersToRange.Address
(external:=True)
curSelAddr = Selection.Address(external:=True)
ActCellAddr = ActiveCell.Address
(external:=True)
Application.Goto Range(myRngAddr)
myName.Delete
Application.Goto Range(curSelAddr)
Range(ActCellAddr).Activate
Exit For
End If
Next myName

Application.screenupdating = true

End Sub

It seems like a lot to go through, but it worked (twice
in a row for me <bg).

Peter T wrote:

Dave,

First thought when I looked at your Testme02b() was that
it was pretty much the same as my DelBookName(). Only
difference, yours to reference the named range, mine to
delete the name.

I was surprised when Brian came back and said mine
didn't
work. But he was right, in the particular scenario as
outlined by Jan Karel.

With similar Sheet & Book level names, referring to
different ranges, on the active sheet, try the
extra "delete" line in your sub:

'code
Set myRng = myName.RefersToRange
myName.Delete ' new line
Exit For
'code

Your "myRng" is correctly referenced to the book level
range, but the wrong name is deleted (ie the sheet level
name). I think deleting the Book level name was one of
Brian's objectives.

Regards,
Peter

-----Original Message-----
In a private reply:

If you were looking for the range that global name
referred to, I thought that
this suggestion worked ok. Did it not work for you?

Option Explicit
Sub testme02b()
Dim myName As Name
Dim myStr As String
Dim myRng As Range

myStr = "somename"

Set myRng = Nothing
For Each myName In ActiveWorkbook.Names
If LCase(myName.Name) = LCase(myStr) Then
'use this one!
Set myRng = myName.RefersToRange
Exit For
End If
Next myName

If myRng Is Nothing Then
Debug.Print "No Global name: " & myStr
Else
Debug.Print myRng.Address(external:=True)
End If

End Sub

Brian Murphy wrote:

I usually need a range object for what the Name
refers
to. Although sometimes I do need to delete the workbook
level Name object.

It was pretty bad when a macro of mine would go to
delete a fully qualified book level name, only to find
out
later that it was a sheet level name that got deleted.

Brian

"Dave Peterson" wrote in message
...
If you were only retrieving the value for a few
names, didn't going through the
workbook names collection work for you?


Brian Murphy wrote:

Here's what I've arrived at using the "famous"
workaround mentioned by Bob Phillips. It goes for
deleting and undeleting just a Name instead of a
Worksheet. Could use some error checking to make it
more
robust. I don't think Hidden sheets will cause
problems.
Protected sheets might be another matter. Seems to do
the
job in limited testing so far.

It's a far cry from just a simple syntax fix I
was
hoping for. I wonder how Jan Karel handled this.

Brian

Option Compare Text

Function myWorkbook_Names(thename$) As Variant
'created this routine to work around "first
sheet"
problem 5/7/2004
Dim nme$, refersto$
Set myWorkbook_Names = Nothing
If IsNameDefinedAsBookLevel(thename) = False
Then
'exit and return Nothing
ElseIf InStr(ActiveWorkbook.Names
(thename).Name, "!") = 0 Then
Set myWorkbook_Names =
ActiveWorkbook.Names
(thename)
Else
'even though there's a book level name
somewhere, Workbook.Names isn't returning it
With ActiveWorkbook.Names(thename)
nme = .Name
refersto = .refersto
.Delete
End With
'now ActiveWorkbook.Names(thename) should
return the correct book level name
Set myWorkbook_Names =
ActiveWorkbook.Names
(thename)
'put back the deleted sheet level name
ActiveWorkbook.Names.Add Name:=nme,
refersto:=refersto
End If
End Function

Function IsNameDefinedAsBookLevel(thename$) As
Boolean
Dim o
For Each o In ActiveWorkbook.Names
If o.Name = thename Then
IsNameDefinedAsBookLevel = True
Exit For
End If
Next
End Function

"Dave Peterson" wrote in
message
...
Ahhh. I get it and remember a post from Jan
Karel Pieterse (IIRC) about the
same problem.

I think his solution was to look for a
worksheet
level name first. If he found
one, the move to a different sheet.

But maybe you could just add a dummy worksheet
as
the first one. Delete it when
you're done.

Option Explicit
Sub testme02()

Dim wks As Worksheet
Dim testRng As Range
Dim dummyWks As Worksheet

Set dummyWks = Worksheets.Add
(befo=Worksheets(1))

For Each wks In ActiveWorkbook.Worksheets
If wks.Name = dummyWks.Name Then
'do nothing
Else
wks.Activate
Debug.Print "wkbk level from: " &
wks.Name & " refers to: " & _

ActiveWorkbook.Names
("somename").RefersToRange.Parent.Name

Set testRng = Nothing
On Error Resume Next
Set testRng = wks.Names
("somename").RefersToRange
On Error GoTo 0

If testRng Is Nothing Then
Debug.Print "Not a sheet level
name in: " & wks.Name
Else
Debug.Print "Sheet level also
in: " & _

testRng.Address
(external:=True)
End If

Debug.Print "-------------"
End If

Next wks

Application.DisplayAlerts = False
dummyWks.Delete
Application.DisplayAlerts = True

End Sub

Befo
wkbk level from: sheetlevel1 refers to:
sheetlevel1
Sheet level also in: [book1]sheetlevel1!
$D$5:$H$15
-------------
wkbk level from: Wkbk_level refers to:
sheetlevel1
Not a sheet level name in: Wkbk_level
-------------
wkbk level from: sheetlevel2 refers to:
sheetlevel1
Sheet level also in: [book1]sheetlevel2!
$D$5:$H$15
-------------


After:

wkbk level from: sheetlevel1 refers to:
Wkbk_level
Sheet level also in: [book1]sheetlevel1!
$D$5:$H$15
-------------
wkbk level from: Wkbk_level refers to:
Wkbk_level
Not a sheet level name in: Wkbk_level
-------------
wkbk level from: sheetlevel2 refers to:
Wkbk_level
Sheet level also in: [book1]sheetlevel2!
$D$5:$H$15
-------------

==============

I think Jan Karel (et al) have to be much more
careful. The workbook's
structure could be protected and that would
eliminate the ability to add a
sheet.

This might not be a factor for you.


=====
And depending on what you're doing, maybe you
can
go through the names
collection:

Option Explicit
Sub testme02b()
Dim myName As Name
Dim myStr As String
Dim myRng As Range

myStr = "somename"

Set myRng = Nothing
For Each myName In ActiveWorkbook.Names
If LCase(myName.Name) = LCase(myStr)
Then
'use this one!
Set myRng = myName.RefersToRange
Exit For
End If
Next myName

If myRng Is Nothing Then
Debug.Print "No Global name: " & myStr
Else
Debug.Print myRng.Address
(external:=True)
End If

End Sub

This consistently gave me:
[book1]Wkbk_level!$E$8:$I$20

No matter the order of the sheets.

(Yeah, I missed that bottom part in your
original
post. Sorry.)







Brian Murphy wrote:

Hello Dave,

Thanks very much for the reply.

The output you showed from your macro tells
me
that the first sheet in the tab order is Sheet2, and
this
is the sheet which contains the booklevel instance of
the
Name. This situation won't exhibit the problem.

Use your mouse to change the sheet order.
Have
the first sheet contain a sheet level instance. I did
this, and with your macro got the following:

3 sheets in the file
Sheet order is: Book_level, Sheet_level_1,
Sheet_Level_2

wkbk level from: Book_level refers to:
Book_level
Not a sheet level name in: Book_level
-------------
wkbk level from: Sheet_level_1 refers to:
Book_level
Sheet level also in: [Book1]Sheet_level_1!
$A$1
-------------
wkbk level from: Sheet_level_2 refers to:
Book_level
Sheet level also in: [Book1]Sheet_level_2!
$A$1
-------------

Sheet order changed to: Sheet_level_1,
Book_level, Sheet_Level_2

wkbk level from: Sheet_level_1 refers to:
Sheet_level_1
Sheet level also in: [Book1]Sheet_level_1!
$A$1
-------------
wkbk level from: Book_level refers to:
Sheet_level_1
Not a sheet level name in: Book_level
-------------
wkbk level from: Sheet_level_2 refers to:
Sheet_level_1
Sheet level also in: [Book1]Sheet_level_2!
$A$1
-------------

Darn it! Now the book level name is wrong no
matter which sheet is active.

The NameManager utility seems to get it
right.
The j-walk namelist utility, for just one example, does
not. That's why I posted to the group in hopes of
learning the right way to do this.

This odd behavior becomes a real problem when
trying to do something like delete a book level name.
The
delete method will delete the wrong object, even when
it's
fully qualified.

Brian Murphy
Austin, Texas

"Dave Peterson" wrote in
message ...
Are you sure?

I'm using xl2002 and couldn't duplicate
that.

Option Explicit
Sub testme02()

Dim wks As Worksheet
Dim testRng As Range


For Each wks In
ActiveWorkbook.Worksheets
wks.Activate
Debug.Print "wkbk level from: " &
wks.Name & " refers to: " & _
ActiveWorkbook.Names
("somename").RefersToRange.Parent.Name

Set testRng = Nothing
On Error Resume Next
Set testRng = wks.Names
("somename").RefersToRange
On Error GoTo 0

If testRng Is Nothing Then
Debug.Print "Not a sheet level
name in: " & wks.Name
Else
Debug.Print "Sheet level also
in: " & _

testRng.Address
(external:=True)
End If

Debug.Print "-------------"

Next wks

End Sub

I got this back:

wkbk level from: Sheet2 refers to: Sheet2
Not a sheet level name in: Sheet2
-------------
wkbk level from: Sheet6 refers to: Sheet2
Not a sheet level name in: Sheet6
-------------
wkbk level from: Sheet5 refers to: Sheet2
Not a sheet level name in: Sheet5
-------------
wkbk level from: Sheet4 refers to: Sheet2
Not a sheet level name in: Sheet4
-------------
wkbk level from: Sheet3 refers to: Sheet2
Not a sheet level name in: Sheet3
-------------
wkbk level from: Sheet1 refers to: Sheet2
Sheet level also in: [book1.xls]Sheet1!
$B$9:$D$18
-------------

It worked the same way with or without the
wks.activate.

The best utility that I've ever seen for
working with names is Jan Karel
Pieterse's (with Charles Williams and
Matthew
Henson) Name Manager.

You can find it at:
NameManager.Zip from
http://www.bmsltd.ie/mvp

You get lots of options and can see
differences very easily. It's well worth
the download.

You can localize and globalize names using
this, too.




Brian Murphy wrote:

I'm having trouble finding a fail safe
syntax to return a Name object that refers to a cell
range.

set obj = ActiveWorkbook.Names(somename)

Here "somename" is a book level name that
refers to a range of cells.

The statement above returns a range
object
for the cells.

Well, sometimes, but not all the time.

If the first sheet in the workbook also
contains a sheet level name called "somename", then the
above statement returns those cells instead.

So, I'm hoping there is some sort of
statement syntax that will work regardless of whether
the
first sheet has a like named sheet level name.

Thanks,

Brian Murphy
Austin, Texas

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