Conditional formatting 'Named Range' dilemma
 

We have created a series of named ranges which were defined using the
OFFSET() function. The purpose of this was to define ranges that would
always properly adjust when new rows or columns were inserted into the table
with the cursor position on the top row or left column of the table (these
positions normally add rows or columns outside the specified range - i.e.,
range does not adjust in all formulas).

This works well, until we try to use defined names with the 'Conditional
Formatting' feature. If we use a named range to specify the range for a
conditional formatting rule, the named range is converted to the actual
resulting range. The problem here is that the range used for the
conditional formatting is no longer dynamic. It is a fixed range that no
longer matches the named range if it is changed in the ways described above.

We suspect that this treatment may also be evident elsewhere in the program.
Does anyone know why conditional formatting rules do not retain the range as
the defined 'Range Name' originally specified by the user? Likewise, does
anyone know how to force the rule to retain the name versus the range, so
that it will dynamically change when needed?

Conditional formatting 'Named Range' dilemma
 

Works fine for me: I created a dynamic name range called Fred, inserted a
conditional format formula =SUM(Fred)200
and when I extended the range so that the sume became greater than 200 the
conditional format was triggered.

Charles
___________________________________
London Excel Users Conference April 1-2
The Excel Calculation Site
http://www.decisionmodels.com

"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
We have created a series of named ranges which were defined using the
OFFSET() function. The purpose of this was to define ranges that would
always properly adjust when new rows or columns were inserted into the
table with the cursor position on the top row or left column of the table
(these positions normally add rows or columns outside the specified
range - i.e., range does not adjust in all formulas).

This works well, until we try to use defined names with the 'Conditional
Formatting' feature. If we use a named range to specify the range for a
conditional formatting rule, the named range is converted to the actual
resulting range. The problem here is that the range used for the
conditional formatting is no longer dynamic. It is a fixed range that no
longer matches the named range if it is changed in the ways described
above.

We suspect that this treatment may also be evident elsewhere in the
program. Does anyone know why conditional formatting rules do not retain
the range as the defined 'Range Name' originally specified by the user?
Likewise, does anyone know how to force the rule to retain the name versus
the range, so that it will dynamically change when needed?

Conditional formatting 'Named Range' dilemma
 

Hello Charles,

Thank you for the reply. Given your answer, however, it appears that I may
have communicated our question poorly. I was referring to a range specified
in the 'Applies To' field of the 'Conditional Formatting Rules Manager'
dialog versus the actual formula for the Conditional Format. This field
designates which cells the conditional formatting rule currently apples to.
It is in the 'Applies To' field where we seem to have the problem of Excel
converting the named ranges to simple range references; thereby losing the
dynamic features of the named range. Does this help clarify the issue?

Thanks,
Richard

****************
"Charles Williams" wrote in message
...
Works fine for me: I created a dynamic name range called Fred, inserted a
conditional format formula =SUM(Fred)200
and when I extended the range so that the sume became greater than 200 the
conditional format was triggered.

Charles
___________________________________
London Excel Users Conference April 1-2
The Excel Calculation Site
http://www.decisionmodels.com

"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
We have created a series of named ranges which were defined using the
OFFSET() function. The purpose of this was to define ranges that would
always properly adjust when new rows or columns were inserted into the
table with the cursor position on the top row or left column of the table
(these positions normally add rows or columns outside the specified
range - i.e., range does not adjust in all formulas).

This works well, until we try to use defined names with the 'Conditional
Formatting' feature. If we use a named range to specify the range for a
conditional formatting rule, the named range is converted to the actual
resulting range. The problem here is that the range used for the
conditional formatting is no longer dynamic. It is a fixed range that no
longer matches the named range if it is changed in the ways described
above.

We suspect that this treatment may also be evident elsewhere in the
program. Does anyone know why conditional formatting rules do not retain
the range as the defined 'Range Name' originally specified by the user?
Likewise, does anyone know how to force the rule to retain the name
versus the range, so that it will dynamically change when needed?

Conditional formatting 'Named Range' dilemma
 

I don't think thats going to work:

Looking at the object model you can see that Conditional Formats are a
property of the Range Object.
A Range object cannot have its address defined by a formula, it needs to be
a reference.

Dynamic named ranges are actually Named Formulae, (all Named Ranges are
really Named Array Formulae).

Charles
___________________________________
London Excel Users Conference April 1-2
The Excel Calculation Site
http://www.decisionmodels.com

"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
Hello Charles,

Thank you for the reply. Given your answer, however, it appears that I
may have communicated our question poorly. I was referring to a range
specified in the 'Applies To' field of the 'Conditional Formatting Rules
Manager' dialog versus the actual formula for the Conditional Format.
This field designates which cells the conditional formatting rule
currently apples to. It is in the 'Applies To' field where we seem to have
the problem of Excel converting the named ranges to simple range
references; thereby losing the dynamic features of the named range. Does
this help clarify the issue?

Thanks,
Richard

****************
"Charles Williams" wrote in message
...
Works fine for me: I created a dynamic name range called Fred, inserted a
conditional format formula =SUM(Fred)200
and when I extended the range so that the sume became greater than 200
the conditional format was triggered.

Charles
___________________________________
London Excel Users Conference April 1-2
The Excel Calculation Site
http://www.decisionmodels.com

"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
We have created a series of named ranges which were defined using the
OFFSET() function. The purpose of this was to define ranges that would
always properly adjust when new rows or columns were inserted into the
table with the cursor position on the top row or left column of the
table (these positions normally add rows or columns outside the
specified range - i.e., range does not adjust in all formulas).

This works well, until we try to use defined names with the 'Conditional
Formatting' feature. If we use a named range to specify the range for a
conditional formatting rule, the named range is converted to the actual
resulting range. The problem here is that the range used for the
conditional formatting is no longer dynamic. It is a fixed range that
no longer matches the named range if it is changed in the ways described
above.

We suspect that this treatment may also be evident elsewhere in the
program. Does anyone know why conditional formatting rules do not retain
the range as the defined 'Range Name' originally specified by the user?
Likewise, does anyone know how to force the rule to retain the name
versus the range, so that it will dynamically change when needed?

Conditional formatting 'Named Range' dilemma
 

Thanks, Charles. I think I am following your thinking, but am disappointed
that the named ranges are not valid references for the conditional
formatting rules. This means that my conditional format references will
likely have to be manually changed each time the range has a row added to
the top or left of the database, because the addition will fall outside the
current range with the OFFSET() function specified in the named range.

Thanks,
Richard

****************
"Charles Williams" wrote in message
...
I don't think thats going to work:

Looking at the object model you can see that Conditional Formats are a
property of the Range Object.
A Range object cannot have its address defined by a formula, it needs to
be a reference.

Dynamic named ranges are actually Named Formulae, (all Named Ranges are
really Named Array Formulae).

Charles
___________________________________
London Excel Users Conference April 1-2
The Excel Calculation Site
http://www.decisionmodels.com

"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
Hello Charles,

Thank you for the reply. Given your answer, however, it appears that I
may have communicated our question poorly. I was referring to a range
specified in the 'Applies To' field of the 'Conditional Formatting Rules
Manager' dialog versus the actual formula for the Conditional Format.
This field designates which cells the conditional formatting rule
currently apples to. It is in the 'Applies To' field where we seem to
have the problem of Excel converting the named ranges to simple range
references; thereby losing the dynamic features of the named range. Does
this help clarify the issue?

Thanks,
Richard

****************
"Charles Williams" wrote in message
...
Works fine for me: I created a dynamic name range called Fred, inserted
a conditional format formula =SUM(Fred)200
and when I extended the range so that the sume became greater than 200
the conditional format was triggered.

Charles
___________________________________
London Excel Users Conference April 1-2
The Excel Calculation Site
http://www.decisionmodels.com

"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
We have created a series of named ranges which were defined using the
OFFSET() function. The purpose of this was to define ranges that would
always properly adjust when new rows or columns were inserted into the
table with the cursor position on the top row or left column of the
table (these positions normally add rows or columns outside the
specified range - i.e., range does not adjust in all formulas).

This works well, until we try to use defined names with the
'Conditional Formatting' feature. If we use a named range to specify
the range for a conditional formatting rule, the named range is
converted to the actual resulting range. The problem here is that the
range used for the conditional formatting is no longer dynamic. It is
a fixed range that no longer matches the named range if it is changed
in the ways described above.

We suspect that this treatment may also be evident elsewhere in the
program. Does anyone know why conditional formatting rules do not
retain the range as the defined 'Range Name' originally specified by
the user? Likewise, does anyone know how to force the rule to retain
the name versus the range, so that it will dynamically change when
needed?