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CommandBars & Custom

I'm trying to change the FaceID of a custom button on a custom mene. I can
access the buttons on built in commandbars but not the custom menu as shown
below:

This works: ?application.Commandbars("Format").Controls.Item(1 ).Caption

This Doesnt ?application.Commandbars("Custom
Menu").Controls.Item(1).Caption

Any ideas?

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John

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