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Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Edwin,
Don't give up. Don't let someone steal your intellectual property. Here is a site that might be of assistance. http://www.bsaa.com.au/ Click on "Report Illegal Use"...Also, I would try to touch base with someone at this organisation. They might have some ideas for you. Hope you are able to succeed with minimum difficulty! Good luck and best wishes. Regards, Kevin "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing to sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some" "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-line version check". He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things from scratch". Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Hi Edwin:
the author (who is in Australia)<< His initials aren't D.H., by any chance, are they? Regards, Vasant. "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing to sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some" "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-line version check". He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things from scratch". Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
I talked to him a couple of times over the phone. The name of the author is Dennis Macdonald
I did the software testing of several version of MS Office in recent years (including PC and Mac versions). I raised this topic of Excel VBA Project protection numerous times. (So many times that's sufficient to break my keyboard. Unfortunately, no action has been taken by Microsoft. Or, I should say, they have no plan to plan to plan to take any action on this topic. Now, finally, I'm a victim ----- Vasant Nanavati wrote: ---- Hi Edwin the author (who is in Australia)< His initials aren't D.H., by any chance, are they Regards Vasant "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in messag .. I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing t sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launche by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immora thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's no tolerable to STEAL my software code The story ======= Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looke at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, i terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE How identical 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Orde of the lines are also identical 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical 5) A lot of controls names are identical 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number o controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms 7) A lot of the function names are the sam 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware i called "Excel PowerPlus Tools" 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-lin version check". He copied that also 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure A very very similar spread is in that shareware also I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that h used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only rea my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things fro scratch" Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions Edwin Ta MS MV |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
The base question here is whether shareware can be copyright, or by virtue
of distribution, it is released into the public domain. Your best bet is to speak to an intellectual property law firm. You will need to show that the methodology, code, format, look&-fell, etc was copied, not just the broader concept. Tough job to prove. A cease-&-desist letter is that starting point after that. "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing to sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some" "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-line version check". He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things from scratch". Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
"Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I talked to him a couple of times over the phone. The name of the author is Dennis Macdonald. I did the software testing of several version of MS Office in recent years (including PC and Mac versions). I raised this topic of Excel VBA Project protection numerous times. (So many times that's sufficient to break my keyboard.) Unfortunately, no action has been taken by Microsoft. Or, I should say, they have no plan to plan to plan to take any action on this topic. Now, finally, I'm a victim. There's little if anything Microsoft can do about this. This is a straightforward breach of copyright , the main problem is that of bringing an action in Australia when you are in another country. Someone has already mentioned http://www.bsaa.com.au/ I'd also suggest contacting the Australian copyright council http://www.copyright.org.au/ Keith |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
The base question here is whether shareware can be copyright, or by virtue
of distribution, it is released into the public domain. There is no question here. Software enjoys copyright protection like any other work, and distribution doesn't put it in the public domain any more than publication of a novel puts that in to the public domain. -- Cordially, Chip Pearson Microsoft MVP - Excel Pearson Software Consulting, LLC www.cpearson.com "ZootRot" wrote in message ... The base question here is whether shareware can be copyright, or by virtue of distribution, it is released into the public domain. Your best bet is to speak to an intellectual property law firm. You will need to show that the methodology, code, format, look&-fell, etc was copied, not just the broader concept. Tough job to prove. A cease-&-desist letter is that starting point after that. "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing to sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some" "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-line version check". He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things from scratch". Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
I agree with Chip.
Copyright is implied, as long as you can show that a software is original work of yours and it contains your own ideas. Imagine, you cannot buy a copy of Harry Portter, and use OCR to scan it into Word, and use Find and Replace to substitute all "Harry Portter" with "Mary K. Porter" and change the font and put a "unique cover" on the book and sell it with your name on it! Even with a detailed "copyright clause"! Of course, "concept" and "feel" cannot have copyright. Just like when Microsoft copied the look and feel of the Mac OS. But, imagine, if you were me, when you see someone's software contains THOUSANDS of lines of code which is 100% identical to yours, you'll be amazed. They are identical line by line, even variable names and control names! It's simply unbelievable. And when I actually talked to the person, I spent more than 30 minutes and still failed to convinced him to admit that he commited copyright infringement. I began to wonder whether I should have talked to him in English or in Visual Basic. But, surely, he is not that good in VB, haha... ----- Chip Pearson wrote: ----- The base question here is whether shareware can be copyright, or by virtue of distribution, it is released into the public domain. There is no question here. Software enjoys copyright protection like any other work, and distribution doesn't put it in the public domain any more than publication of a novel puts that in to the public domain. -- Cordially, Chip Pearson Microsoft MVP - Excel Pearson Software Consulting, LLC www.cpearson.com "ZootRot" wrote in message ... The base question here is whether shareware can be copyright, or by virtue of distribution, it is released into the public domain. Your best bet is to speak to an intellectual property law firm. You will need to show that the methodology, code, format, look&-fell, etc was copied, not just the broader concept. Tough job to prove. A cease-&-desist letter is that starting point after that. "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing to sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some" "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-line version check". He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things from scratch". Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Edwin,
As mentioned earlier, I am very hopeful you are successful in your efforts. <<Of course, "concept" and "feel" cannot have copyright. Not so sure. Remember Quattro Pro having to modify some of its interface because it resembled too close to Lotus 1-2-3? I think there might be something to look and feel. But I am not a intellectual property rights lawyer. That said, I would have to think that if you can show substantial portions of your code being duplicated, it ought to be much easier than to prove a "look and feel" case. However, it is still a burden for you to protect your rights. You might also want to consider writing to major computer magazines and having your own website where you show clearly how your work has been stolen. Perhaps the glare of the public spotlight will cause this person to change his course of action. I think you should try to make his life as uncomfortable as possible while maintaining your ethics, morals, and legal responsibilities. Again, good luck. Best wishes, Kevin "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I agree with Chip. Copyright is implied, as long as you can show that a software is original work of yours and it contains your own ideas. Imagine, you cannot buy a copy of Harry Portter, and use OCR to scan it into Word, and use Find and Replace to substitute all "Harry Portter" with "Mary K. Porter" and change the font and put a "unique cover" on the book and sell it with your name on it! Even with a detailed "copyright clause"! Of course, "concept" and "feel" cannot have copyright. Just like when Microsoft copied the look and feel of the Mac OS. But, imagine, if you were me, when you see someone's software contains THOUSANDS of lines of code which is 100% identical to yours, you'll be amazed. They are identical line by line, even variable names and control names! It's simply unbelievable. And when I actually talked to the person, I spent more than 30 minutes and still failed to convinced him to admit that he commited copyright infringement. I began to wonder whether I should have talked to him in English or in Visual Basic. But, surely, he is not that good in VB, haha... ----- Chip Pearson wrote: ----- The base question here is whether shareware can be copyright, or by virtue of distribution, it is released into the public domain. There is no question here. Software enjoys copyright protection like any other work, and distribution doesn't put it in the public domain any more than publication of a novel puts that in to the public domain. -- Cordially, Chip Pearson Microsoft MVP - Excel Pearson Software Consulting, LLC www.cpearson.com "ZootRot" wrote in message ... The base question here is whether shareware can be copyright, or by virtue of distribution, it is released into the public domain. Your best bet is to speak to an intellectual property law firm. You will need to show that the methodology, code, format, look&-fell, etc was copied, not just the broader concept. Tough job to prove. A cease-&-desist letter is that starting point after that. "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing to sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some" "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-line version check". He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things from scratch". Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
"Kevin Stecyk" wrote in message ... Edwin, As mentioned earlier, I am very hopeful you are successful in your efforts. <<Of course, "concept" and "feel" cannot have copyright. Not so sure. Remember Quattro Pro having to modify some of its interface because it resembled too close to Lotus 1-2-3? I think there might be something to look and feel. But I am not a intellectual property rights lawyer. That said, I would have to think that if you can show substantial portions of your code being duplicated, it ought to be much easier than to prove a "look and feel" case. However, it is still a burden for you to protect your rights. You are correct, more dramatic was the case that Lotus brough against Paperback Software who's product was identical to the Lotus one down to the keystrokes and menus used. The test is quite stringent though, I believe that the judge in the Microsft case declared that a general look and feel cannot ve copyright, in that case Apple was trying to argue that the use of icons windows and mouse were protected but that if the products are 'virtually indentical' then that is an infingement. You might also want to consider writing to major computer magazines and having your own website where you show clearly how your work has been stolen. Perhaps the glare of the public spotlight will cause this person to change his course of action. I think you should try to make his life as uncomfortable as possible while maintaining your ethics, morals, and legal responsibilities. Agreed. Keith |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Uh-Oh <g
-- Regards, Peo Sjoblom "Vasant Nanavati" <vasantn *AT* aol *DOT* com wrote in message ... Hi Edwin: the author (who is in Australia)<< His initials aren't D.H., by any chance, are they? Regards, Vasant. "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing to sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some" "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-line version check". He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things from scratch". Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Why?
From someone whose initials are D.H. :) -- Darren "Vasant Nanavati" <vasantn *AT* aol *DOT* com wrote in message ... Hi Edwin: the author (who is in Australia)<< His initials aren't D.H., by any chance, are they? Regards, Vasant. "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing to sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some" "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-line version check". He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things from scratch". Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
"Darren Hill" wrote in message
... Why? From someone whose initials are D.H. :) Don't think you're a suspect, Darren. .... Now turn left and look straight into the camera please :-) Best wishes Harald Followup to newsgroup only please. |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlusTools
And please speak directly into the pen lying in front of you.
Harald Staff wrote: "Darren Hill" wrote in message ... Why? From someone whose initials are D.H. :) Don't think you're a suspect, Darren. ... Now turn left and look straight into the camera please :-) Best wishes Harald Followup to newsgroup only please. -- Dave Peterson |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Normally a thief runs to ground and disposes of his wares
surreptitiously. But in this type of case seems he can openly and proudly trade his ill-gotten gains. A quick search of the renamed title shows it is being distributed by big name download sites, eg ZDnet, effectively if unwittingly trading in stolen goods. Have you thought of contacting the likes of these. Curiosity, apart from VBA password did you use any other means to protect your code, eg com/dll. Regards, Peter -----Original Message----- I?Tm the author of the shareware ?oEdwin?Ts Power Tools?ť. I?Tm not writing to sell my shareware. But I? Tm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called ?oExcel PowerPlus Tools?ť. I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of ?oEdwin?Ts Power Tools?ť in my message boxes. He got ?osome?ť ?oBandwood?Ts Power Tools?ť in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called ?oExcel PowerPlus Tools?ť. 9) I got an ?oabnormal?ť function which uses web query to do an ?oon-line version check?ť. He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet ?omatrix?ť to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and ? oproduced a software which does the same things from scratch?ť. Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP . |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
:)
-- Darren "Dave Peterson" wrote in message ... And please speak directly into the pen lying in front of you. Harald Staff wrote: "Darren Hill" wrote in message ... Why? From someone whose initials are D.H. :) Don't think you're a suspect, Darren. ... Now turn left and look straight into the camera please :-) Best wishes Harald Followup to newsgroup only please. -- Dave Peterson |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
VASANT,
Did you have anyone in mind when you suggested the initials D.H.? I know a D.H. in Australia who produces AddIns for excel and I must say that HIS credibility and honesty are above reproach. He is one of the most outstanding people I know within the worldwide Excel community. It be be a shame for his reputation to be tarnished by virtue of the fact that he the same initials as some one you suspect of being a thieving grub. Regards Adam "Vasant Nanavati" <vasantn *AT* aol *DOT* com wrote in message ... Hi Edwin: the author (who is in Australia)<< His initials aren't D.H., by any chance, are they? Regards, Vasant. "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing to sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some" "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-line version check". He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things from scratch". Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Hi Adam,
There is a specific D.H. located in Australia, who while isn't a thieving grub to my knowledge, pretends to be an accomplished Excel developer but yet seems to be lacking in the most rudimentary skills required of that art, as he personally demonstrated during his last appearance in this newsgroups roughly a year and a half ago. I'll let everyone continue with the puzzle. <g -- Rob Bovey, MCSE, MCSD, Excel MVP Application Professionals http://www.appspro.com/ * Please post all replies to this newsgroup * * I delete all unsolicited e-mail responses * "Adam Neal" wrote in message om... VASANT, Did you have anyone in mind when you suggested the initials D.H.? I know a D.H. in Australia who produces AddIns for excel and I must say that HIS credibility and honesty are above reproach. He is one of the most outstanding people I know within the worldwide Excel community. It be be a shame for his reputation to be tarnished by virtue of the fact that he the same initials as some one you suspect of being a thieving grub. Regards Adam "Vasant Nanavati" <vasantn *AT* aol *DOT* com wrote in message ... Hi Edwin: the author (who is in Australia)<< His initials aren't D.H., by any chance, are they? Regards, Vasant. "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing to sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some" "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-line version check". He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things from scratch". Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Hi Rob,
Thank you for taking the time to reply on Vasants behalf. Yes I am aware of part of the history involved and wish to have nothing to do with this as it is many levels beneath where I am coming from. As your reply would seem to verify, the use of initials was a very thinly disguised attempt at making a direct accusation. What I wanted to know from Vasant is: Was your statement a serious accusation that you believed D.H. was responsible for such a despicable act or was it just a cowardly and spiteful remark not meant to be taken seriously? Regards Adam "Rob Bovey" wrote in message ... Hi Adam, There is a specific D.H. located in Australia, who while isn't a thieving grub to my knowledge, pretends to be an accomplished Excel developer but yet seems to be lacking in the most rudimentary skills required of that art, as he personally demonstrated during his last appearance in this newsgroups roughly a year and a half ago. I'll let everyone continue with the puzzle. <g -- Rob Bovey, MCSE, MCSD, Excel MVP Application Professionals http://www.appspro.com/ * Please post all replies to this newsgroup * * I delete all unsolicited e-mail responses * "Adam Neal" wrote in message om... VASANT, Did you have anyone in mind when you suggested the initials D.H.? I know a D.H. in Australia who produces AddIns for excel and I must say that HIS credibility and honesty are above reproach. He is one of the most outstanding people I know within the worldwide Excel community. It be be a shame for his reputation to be tarnished by virtue of the fact that he the same initials as some one you suspect of being a thieving grub. Regards Adam "Vasant Nanavati" <vasantn *AT* aol *DOT* com wrote in message ... Hi Edwin: the author (who is in Australia)<< His initials aren't D.H., by any chance, are they? Regards, Vasant. "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing to sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some" "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-line version check". He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things from scratch". Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Bovey, it is a shame that some MVP's feel threatend by my precence in
newsgroups simply because I show the likes of you for what you are, arrogant, rude and self-serving. It looks like since I have left (for bigger and better) you have not changed and now even prove beyond doubt just how "professional" you really are (not). It also appears you will only try to attack and run another person down when you think they will no find out, I guess that means we can now add the word "coward" to you list of traits. You of all people are NOT worthy of you MVP status and all I can suggest is you get a life and grow up. Don't bother replying as I will not. Dave www.ozgrid.com "Rob Bovey" wrote in message ... Hi Adam, There is a specific D.H. located in Australia, who while isn't a thieving grub to my knowledge, pretends to be an accomplished Excel developer but yet seems to be lacking in the most rudimentary skills required of that art, as he personally demonstrated during his last appearance in this newsgroups roughly a year and a half ago. I'll let everyone continue with the puzzle. <g |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
The only people threatened by your presence are the poor users who have to put up with your poorly conceived notion of an answer. And don't flatter yourself. I'll stand right in your face and jump all over your sorry rear end wherever you happen to stick it up. -- Rob Bovey (No sig line to suggest this is anything other than personal.) "Dave Hawley" wrote in message m... Bovey, it is a shame that some MVP's feel threatend by my precence in newsgroups simply because I show the likes of you for what you are, arrogant, rude and self-serving. It looks like since I have left (for bigger and better) you have not changed and now even prove beyond doubt just how "professional" you really are (not). It also appears you will only try to attack and run another person down when you think they will no find out, I guess that means we can now add the word "coward" to you list of traits. You of all people are NOT worthy of you MVP status and all I can suggest is you get a life and grow up. Don't bother replying as I will not. Dave www.ozgrid.com "Rob Bovey" wrote in message ... Hi Adam, There is a specific D.H. located in Australia, who while isn't a thieving grub to my knowledge, pretends to be an accomplished Excel developer but yet seems to be lacking in the most rudimentary skills required of that art, as he personally demonstrated during his last appearance in this newsgroups roughly a year and a half ago. I'll let everyone continue with the puzzle. <g |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
I know I said I would not reply, but coward Bovey has come out from
behind his mums apron and is trying to justify his cowardly behaviour. Personal is it Bovey? You have just admitted to using the MS newsgroup to air your personal frustrations and try to slur the name of someone you do not even know. You call yourself a pro! bah! You really are a coward. I'll stand right in your face...... LOL! Cowards don't stand in anyone's face. You are only a little boy in a sea of men and a disgrace to the MVP title. "Rob Bovey" wrote in message ... The only people threatened by your presence are the poor users who have to put up with your poorly conceived notion of an answer. And don't flatter yourself. I'll stand right in your face and jump all over your sorry rear end wherever you happen to stick it up. -- Rob Bovey (No sig line to suggest this is anything other than personal.) "Dave Hawley" wrote in message m... Bovey, it is a shame that some MVP's feel threatend by my precence in newsgroups simply because I show the likes of you for what you are, arrogant, rude and self-serving. It looks like since I have left (for bigger and better) you have not changed and now even prove beyond doubt just how "professional" you really are (not). It also appears you will only try to attack and run another person down when you think they will no find out, I guess that means we can now add the word "coward" to you list of traits. You of all people are NOT worthy of you MVP status and all I can suggest is you get a life and grow up. Don't bother replying as I will not. Dave www.ozgrid.com "Rob Bovey" wrote in message ... Hi Adam, There is a specific D.H. located in Australia, who while isn't a thieving grub to my knowledge, pretends to be an accomplished Excel developer but yet seems to be lacking in the most rudimentary skills required of that art, as he personally demonstrated during his last appearance in this newsgroups roughly a year and a half ago. I'll let everyone continue with the puzzle. <g |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha!!! I knew you couldn't stand not to have the last word little man. Go back to your hole and quit blathering. BTW, did you notice we have a new group called microsoft.public.excel.newusers. That would be much more applicable to your skill level. And since I don't hang out there you wouldn't have to be the poor little victim of my bullying (even though you seem to really enjoy it for some strange reason I don't fully understand). -- Rob Bovey "Dave Hawley" wrote in message om... I know I said I would not reply, but coward Bovey has come out from behind his mums apron and is trying to justify his cowardly behaviour. Personal is it Bovey? You have just admitted to using the MS newsgroup to air your personal frustrations and try to slur the name of someone you do not even know. You call yourself a pro! bah! You really are a coward. I'll stand right in your face...... LOL! Cowards don't stand in anyone's face. You are only a little boy in a sea of men and a disgrace to the MVP title. "Rob Bovey" wrote in message ... The only people threatened by your presence are the poor users who have to put up with your poorly conceived notion of an answer. And don't flatter yourself. I'll stand right in your face and jump all over your sorry rear end wherever you happen to stick it up. -- Rob Bovey (No sig line to suggest this is anything other than personal.) "Dave Hawley" wrote in message m... Bovey, it is a shame that some MVP's feel threatend by my precence in newsgroups simply because I show the likes of you for what you are, arrogant, rude and self-serving. It looks like since I have left (for bigger and better) you have not changed and now even prove beyond doubt just how "professional" you really are (not). It also appears you will only try to attack and run another person down when you think they will no find out, I guess that means we can now add the word "coward" to you list of traits. You of all people are NOT worthy of you MVP status and all I can suggest is you get a life and grow up. Don't bother replying as I will not. Dave www.ozgrid.com "Rob Bovey" wrote in message ... Hi Adam, There is a specific D.H. located in Australia, who while isn't a thieving grub to my knowledge, pretends to be an accomplished Excel developer but yet seems to be lacking in the most rudimentary skills required of that art, as he personally demonstrated during his last appearance in this newsgroups roughly a year and a half ago. I'll let everyone continue with the puzzle. <g |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Hi, everybody. I looked at the replies to this thread after having a day of rest. Wow!! It's just amazing that there are really quite a number of you who replied
Let me update you on the progress.. - The person who stole my code was Dennis Macdonald - For the first two days I contacted him, he refused to admit that he used my code. He insisted that he just "look into my user manual" - I very politely called him (and wasted some money on international phone calls), and informed him that "I am going to look into your source code". He warned me that "if I do so, I'll breach the license agreement" - Based on my limited knowledge in law (I'm at least a certified accountant in UK and Hong Kong and I was a KPMG consultant), I explained to him that "your license agreement is void, as no one can do anything illegal to your illegal product" - Unfortunately, up to that moment, Mr. Dennis Macdonald, was yet unable to tune into the same channel as mine, didn't semed to get my idea. But, I still decided to look into "his" code. (Of course, I saw mine! - The next day, I faxed Mr. Dennis Macdonald a sample of 10 pages of VBA code. 5 pages from my software, 5 pages from "his". I highlight 17 macros which were identical in the 5 pages of code. I politely ask Mr. Dennis Macdonald whether he felt the need for me to provide more sample. He said "NO" - Luckily, finally, Mr. Dennis Macdonald was able to understand my language and removed the software from his web site. And he told Download.com to remove it as well - Also, he e-mailed his customers to his customers to stop using the software. Here is a sample e-mail '------------------------------------------------ Dear XXXX <name deliberately removed I need to inform you that the PowerTools for Excel software is no longer available and has been removed from our site due to a copyright issue with the author of a very similar tool. This copyright issue has only just come to light and we have removed this software to comply with the other authors request Therefore, can you please delete all files associated with this software and a FULL REFUND will be issued within the next 24 hours. I would appreciate a confirmation email from yourself after you have deleted all files and have received the refund Regards Dennis '------------------------------------------------- - Mr. Dennis Macdonald also explained to me he has limited wealth and can only pay me a limited amount for compensation. He used his professional knowledge in web technology to go to my on-line payment site to buy my software with a credit card! (Wow!) Below is an extract of the e-mail transaction cofirmation. (Note the comment line!! I requested that! haha! '------------------------------------------------- Payment fee received: 4 Quantity Payment for Edwin's_Power_Tools, US 160.00 Registered-To: Dennis Macdonald Email: <dliberately removed Postal: <dliberately removed Total Amount Paid: USD 160 Date: 2003-11-13 Processed: 2003-11-13 PaymentMethod: card Invoice: 498353846 TransactionID: CHYP2YC0PHQA Comment: Compensation for copyright infringement '------------------------------------------------- - He then also, according to my another request, air mailed me a letter with signature, to admit his commitment of copyright infringement. I haven't received that yet Anyway, still, I deeply believe the cause of the problem is Microsoft |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Well that was easy, didn't even have any bait on the hook.
What's making me smile with satisfaction the most is that you have now showed (to all) you true self. hmm, I may even put a link to this thread in my forum with the anchor text "Coward Explodes" LOL! Some people are just too easy. :) :) "Rob Bovey" wrote in message ... Bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha!!! I knew you couldn't stand not to have the last word little man. Go back to your hole and quit blathering. BTW, did you notice we have a new group called microsoft.public.excel.newusers. That would be much more applicable to your skill level. And since I don't hang out there you wouldn't have to be the poor little victim of my bullying (even though you seem to really enjoy it for some strange reason I don't fully understand). -- |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
If it makes you feel better to think you have the upper hand, you're more than welcome. You've already wasted more of my time that your stinking carcass is worth. Feel free to link, wail, or otherwise continue your brainless diatribe without me. -- Rob Bovey "Dave Hawley" wrote in message om... Well that was easy, didn't even have any bait on the hook. What's making me smile with satisfaction the most is that you have now showed (to all) you true self. hmm, I may even put a link to this thread in my forum with the anchor text "Coward Explodes" LOL! Some people are just too easy. :) :) "Rob Bovey" wrote in message ... Bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha!!! I knew you couldn't stand not to have the last word little man. Go back to your hole and quit blathering. BTW, did you notice we have a new group called microsoft.public.excel.newusers. That would be much more applicable to your skill level. And since I don't hang out there you wouldn't have to be the poor little victim of my bullying (even though you seem to really enjoy it for some strange reason I don't fully understand). -- |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Apple/Mac copied the Xerox Star, so don't feel sorry for the MAC. Maybe
there was another system that Xerox copied, but I don't believe so. -- Regards, Tom Ogilvy Edwin Tam (MS MVP) wrote in message ... I agree with Chip. Copyright is implied, as long as you can show that a software is original work of yours and it contains your own ideas. Imagine, you cannot buy a copy of Harry Portter, and use OCR to scan it into Word, and use Find and Replace to substitute all "Harry Portter" with "Mary K. Porter" and change the font and put a "unique cover" on the book and sell it with your name on it! Even with a detailed "copyright clause"! Of course, "concept" and "feel" cannot have copyright. Just like when Microsoft copied the look and feel of the Mac OS. But, imagine, if you were me, when you see someone's software contains THOUSANDS of lines of code which is 100% identical to yours, you'll be amazed. They are identical line by line, even variable names and control names! It's simply unbelievable. And when I actually talked to the person, I spent more than 30 minutes and still failed to convinced him to admit that he commited copyright infringement. I began to wonder whether I should have talked to him in English or in Visual Basic. But, surely, he is not that good in VB, haha... ----- Chip Pearson wrote: ----- The base question here is whether shareware can be copyright, or by virtue of distribution, it is released into the public domain. There is no question here. Software enjoys copyright protection like any other work, and distribution doesn't put it in the public domain any more than publication of a novel puts that in to the public domain. -- Cordially, Chip Pearson Microsoft MVP - Excel Pearson Software Consulting, LLC www.cpearson.com "ZootRot" wrote in message ... The base question here is whether shareware can be copyright, or by virtue of distribution, it is released into the public domain. Your best bet is to speak to an intellectual property law firm. You will need to show that the methodology, code, format, look&-fell, etc was copied, not just the broader concept. Tough job to prove. A cease-&-desist letter is that starting point after that. "Edwin Tam (MS MVP)" wrote in message ... I'm the author of the shareware "Edwin's Power Tools". I'm not writing to sell my shareware. But I'm sharing my recent awful experience with you. My shareware was decompiled, and modified slightly, renamed, and launched by someone as another shareware, and for a profit. This is the most immoral thing I experienced. I don't mind others copying my ideas. But it's not tolerable to STEAL my software code. The story: ======== Recently, I saw another shareware called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". I looked at the software, and surprising, its SUBSTANTIALLY INDENTICAL to mine, in terms of FUNCTIONALITY and even SOURCE CODE. How identical? 1) Procedures source code are substantially identical line by line. Order of the lines are also identical. 2) Order of procedures are substantially the same. 3) A lot of variable name and values are the same. 4) A lot of userfom designs are identical. 5) A lot of controls names are identical. 6) When controls are overlapped on my userforms, the same number of controls with the same names are overalapped on his userforms. 7) A lot of the function names are the same 8) I got a lot of "Edwin's Power Tools" in my message boxes. He got "some" "Bandwood's Power Tools" in his message boxes, even though that shareware is called "Excel PowerPlus Tools". 9) I got an "abnormal" function which uses web query to do an "on-line version check". He copied that also. 10) I used a special spreadsheet "matrix" to do the custom menu procedure. A very very similar spread is in that shareware also. I called the author (who is in Australia). He refused to admit that he used by software. He simply refused to admit. He insisted that he only read my user manual, and "produced a software which does the same things from scratch". Any idea? Any comment? Or, any suggestions? Edwin Tam MS MVP |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Oh, BTW I have emailed Edwin to apologise for my posts in his thread
and explained my reasons, which I think he understands. I doubt someone like yourself (poor excuse for a human) would have done the same. It astounds me that anyone (even you Bovey) would use a fellow developers demise to plant the unfounded seed of suspicion against me and dredge up mud from *years ago*. It's gives me great pleasure to know you have been stewing over me publicly humiliating you all this time :o) Anyway, you stick in the MS newsgroups while I move onwards and upwards. Just remember that you will now been seen by all as a coward. Dave "Rob Bovey" wrote in message ... If it makes you feel better to think you have the upper hand, you're more than welcome. You've already wasted more of my time that your stinking carcass is worth. Feel free to link, wail, or otherwise continue your brainless diatribe without me. |
Shareware Edwin's Power Tools decompiled and became Excel PowerPlus Tools
Way to go Edwin. All's well that ends well.
I couldn't agree more on the Microsoft issue. They have the ability to make Excel a LOT more secure but neglet to do so. Perhaps one day???? Kind Regards Dave Hawley www.OzGrid.com Have an Excel Question? http://ozgrid.com/forum/index.php |
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