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I've been posting successfully to ms.public.access, but my posts here
are not getting though. This is a test post after unsubscribing / resubscribing to see if it gets through. |
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Hi,
Sometimes you might experience dificulties but it works "Clif McIrvin" wrote: I've been posting successfully to ms.public.access, but my posts here are not getting though. This is a test post after unsubscribing / resubscribing to see if it gets through. . |
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Thanks for responding. It's curions that this message went through, but
my question isn't. I'm not used to having trouble posting via NNTP using Outlook Express. Clif "Eduardo" wrote in message ... Hi, Sometimes you might experience dificulties but it works "Clif McIrvin" wrote: I've been posting successfully to ms.public.access, but my posts here are not getting though. This is a test post after unsubscribing / resubscribing to see if it gets through. . |
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"Clif McIrvin" wrote:
I'm not used to having trouble posting via NNTP using Outlook Express. I have uncovered two instances wherein the MSnews server seems to remove articles that contain certain text (anywhere in the ASCII form of the message, not just the body). Removal is usually almost instantaneous; but sometimes an article persists for several minutes. This is why we sometimes see "deleted from server" messages in OE. As I recall, one instance is if the message contains the substring "X Y Z" without the interstitial spaces. Of course "X Y Z" is a common example name. Another instance is if the message contains the substring "o n o" without the interstitial spaces. Tony Valko (Biff) encountered this when he used the word astro n omical". It is better to use microsoft.public.test.here for test posts. Yes, some problems could be newsgroup-specific. But that is very rare, if ever. (Some NG have different expiration criteria.) ----- original message ----- "Clif McIrvin" wrote in message ... Thanks for responding. It's curions that this message went through, but my question isn't. I'm not used to having trouble posting via NNTP using Outlook Express. Clif "Eduardo" wrote in message ... Hi, Sometimes you might experience dificulties but it works "Clif McIrvin" wrote: I've been posting successfully to ms.public.access, but my posts here are not getting though. This is a test post after unsubscribing / resubscribing to see if it gets through. . |
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Very helpful information ... I was suspecitng deletion based on contents
.... but so far have not ciphered out what the offending text might be. As I have attempted sending as a new post, as pasting into a reply to this thread, and actually re-typing the entire message on the possibility that some offensive non-printable sequence had become embedded and all have failed, I will follow your other suggestion and see what happens in the test group. I did post here instead of the test group on purpose, knowing that, strictly speaking, I was out of protocol. Thanks for your kind reply. Clif "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... "Clif McIrvin" wrote: I'm not used to having trouble posting via NNTP using Outlook Express. I have uncovered two instances wherein the MSnews server seems to remove articles that contain certain text (anywhere in the ASCII form of the message, not just the body). Removal is usually almost instantaneous; but sometimes an article persists for several minutes. This is why we sometimes see "deleted from server" messages in OE. As I recall, one instance is if the message contains the substring "X Y Z" without the interstitial spaces. Of course "X Y Z" is a common example name. Another instance is if the message contains the substring "o n o" without the interstitial spaces. Tony Valko (Biff) encountered this when he used the word astro n omical". It is better to use microsoft.public.test.here for test posts. Yes, some problems could be newsgroup-specific. But that is very rare, if ever. (Some NG have different expiration criteria.) |
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"Clif McIrvin" wrote:
As I have attempted sending as a new post, as pasting into a reply to this thread, and actually re-typing the entire message on the possibility that some offensive non-printable sequence had become embedded and all have failed, I will follow your other suggestion and see what happens in the test group. If you are saying you are still unable to post your intended message, and it does not contain any of the known "offensive" text (hogwash!), feel free to send the intended posting to me, and I will isolate the "offensive" content or other root cause of the problem. I monitor the TCP/NNTP protocol, so I know exactly what is going on. Ideally, use Forward As Attachment (right click) to attach the failed posting from your Sent Items folder. Send it to joeu2004 "at" hotmail.com. ----- original message ----- "Clif McIrvin" wrote in message ... Very helpful information ... I was suspecitng deletion based on contents ... but so far have not ciphered out what the offending text might be. As I have attempted sending as a new post, as pasting into a reply to this thread, and actually re-typing the entire message on the possibility that some offensive non-printable sequence had become embedded and all have failed, I will follow your other suggestion and see what happens in the test group. I did post here instead of the test group on purpose, knowing that, strictly speaking, I was out of protocol. Thanks for your kind reply. Clif "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... "Clif McIrvin" wrote: I'm not used to having trouble posting via NNTP using Outlook Express. I have uncovered two instances wherein the MSnews server seems to remove articles that contain certain text (anywhere in the ASCII form of the message, not just the body). Removal is usually almost instantaneous; but sometimes an article persists for several minutes. This is why we sometimes see "deleted from server" messages in OE. As I recall, one instance is if the message contains the substring "X Y Z" without the interstitial spaces. Of course "X Y Z" is a common example name. Another instance is if the message contains the substring "o n o" without the interstitial spaces. Tony Valko (Biff) encountered this when he used the word astro n omical". It is better to use microsoft.public.test.here for test posts. Yes, some problems could be newsgroup-specific. But that is very rare, if ever. (Some NG have different expiration criteria.) |
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"Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message
... ...feel free to send the intended posting to me, Thanks!! Sent from Outlook 2003 (not OE) Clif |
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Joe user,
This is an interesting thread, can you keep your response to the email in the group so we can all see it. -- Mike When competing hypotheses are otherwise equal, adopt the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions while still sufficiently answering the question. "Joe User" wrote: "Clif McIrvin" wrote: As I have attempted sending as a new post, as pasting into a reply to this thread, and actually re-typing the entire message on the possibility that some offensive non-printable sequence had become embedded and all have failed, I will follow your other suggestion and see what happens in the test group. If you are saying you are still unable to post your intended message, and it does not contain any of the known "offensive" text (hogwash!), feel free to send the intended posting to me, and I will isolate the "offensive" content or other root cause of the problem. I monitor the TCP/NNTP protocol, so I know exactly what is going on. Ideally, use Forward As Attachment (right click) to attach the failed posting from your Sent Items folder. Send it to joeu2004 "at" hotmail.com. ----- original message ----- "Clif McIrvin" wrote in message ... Very helpful information ... I was suspecitng deletion based on contents ... but so far have not ciphered out what the offending text might be. As I have attempted sending as a new post, as pasting into a reply to this thread, and actually re-typing the entire message on the possibility that some offensive non-printable sequence had become embedded and all have failed, I will follow your other suggestion and see what happens in the test group. I did post here instead of the test group on purpose, knowing that, strictly speaking, I was out of protocol. Thanks for your kind reply. Clif "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... "Clif McIrvin" wrote: I'm not used to having trouble posting via NNTP using Outlook Express. I have uncovered two instances wherein the MSnews server seems to remove articles that contain certain text (anywhere in the ASCII form of the message, not just the body). Removal is usually almost instantaneous; but sometimes an article persists for several minutes. This is why we sometimes see "deleted from server" messages in OE. As I recall, one instance is if the message contains the substring "X Y Z" without the interstitial spaces. Of course "X Y Z" is a common example name. Another instance is if the message contains the substring "o n o" without the interstitial spaces. Tony Valko (Biff) encountered this when he used the word astro n omical". It is better to use microsoft.public.test.here for test posts. Yes, some problems could be newsgroup-specific. But that is very rare, if ever. (Some NG have different expiration criteria.) . |
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Mike H -- yours is an encouraging post ... it's nice to know others are
watching. I was able to succesfully post my original message to ms.public.test *after* I went through and put a space between every letter --- with VBA that wasn't a big deal, and it was easier (for me) than trying to guess what the offending text was/is. I figure to sit back a day or two and see what Joe User comes up with. Clif "Mike H" wrote in message ... Joe user, This is an interesting thread, can you keep your response to the email in the group so we can all see it. -- Mike When competing hypotheses are otherwise equal, adopt the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions while still sufficiently answering the question. "Joe User" wrote: "Clif McIrvin" wrote: As I have attempted sending as a new post, as pasting into a reply to this thread, and actually re-typing the entire message on the possibility that some offensive non-printable sequence had become embedded and all have failed, I will follow your other suggestion and see what happens in the test group. If you are saying you are still unable to post your intended message, and it does not contain any of the known "offensive" text (hogwash!), feel free to send the intended posting to me, and I will isolate the "offensive" content or other root cause of the problem. I monitor the TCP/NNTP protocol, so I know exactly what is going on. Ideally, use Forward As Attachment (right click) to attach the failed posting from your Sent Items folder. Send it to joeu2004 "at" hotmail.com. ----- original message ----- "Clif McIrvin" wrote in message ... Very helpful information ... I was suspecitng deletion based on contents ... but so far have not ciphered out what the offending text might be. As I have attempted sending as a new post, as pasting into a reply to this thread, and actually re-typing the entire message on the possibility that some offensive non-printable sequence had become embedded and all have failed, I will follow your other suggestion and see what happens in the test group. I did post here instead of the test group on purpose, knowing that, strictly speaking, I was out of protocol. Thanks for your kind reply. Clif "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... "Clif McIrvin" wrote: I'm not used to having trouble posting via NNTP using Outlook Express. I have uncovered two instances wherein the MSnews server seems to remove articles that contain certain text (anywhere in the ASCII form of the message, not just the body). Removal is usually almost instantaneous; but sometimes an article persists for several minutes. This is why we sometimes see "deleted from server" messages in OE. As I recall, one instance is if the message contains the substring "X Y Z" without the interstitial spaces. Of course "X Y Z" is a common example name. Another instance is if the message contains the substring "o n o" without the interstitial spaces. Tony Valko (Biff) encountered this when he used the word astro n omical". It is better to use microsoft.public.test.here for test posts. Yes, some problems could be newsgroup-specific. But that is very rare, if ever. (Some NG have different expiration criteria.) . |
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I wrote:
I will isolate the "offensive" content Well, we have a new "offensive" string to avoid: "c a s i o" without interstitial spaces. Clif made the mistake of using the word "occa sionally" (without the interstitial space). Serves him right, really! He shoulda just wrote "sometimes". :-) :-) :-) Seriously, someone needs to inform MS that their spam filter (I ass-u-me) is bad. Bad for business, since MS directs users to rely on the MS "discussion groups" for tech support. FYI, I want to reiterate that the removal of articles can happen minutes later. Even I got fooled initially when my first test with Clif failed posting succeeded. "Succeeded" meant: the header appeared in OE. But try opening the message (a separate NNTP request) some time later, and that's when we might get the "deleted from server" message. I didn't! Oh yeah: wait some time longer (5 min, in one case), reset the NG OE (i.e. flush headers and bodies), then read headers again, and voila! The message is no longer there. Usually, it seems that the article was never posted at all because we do not even see the header in OE. But careful monitoring of the NNTP protocol reveals that the article is accepted by the server and even assigned a number, which is my definition of "posted". The removal simply happens very soon thereafter, often within seconds. But the MSnews server seems unusually busy today, so the removal delay is quite long. This can lead to the seemingly "inexplicable" situation where articles posted to the MSnews server appear on other NG servers (Google Groups, MSDG, etc), but not on the MSnews server itself. Those remote sites are simply lucky(?) to poll and pull from the MSnews server before the article is removed. Geesh! I just found myself scanning this text for the offensive strings before pushing the send button. This is ridiculous! ----- original message ----- "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... "Clif McIrvin" wrote: As I have attempted sending as a new post, as pasting into a reply to this thread, and actually re-typing the entire message on the possibility that some offensive non-printable sequence had become embedded and all have failed, I will follow your other suggestion and see what happens in the test group. If you are saying you are still unable to post your intended message, and it does not contain any of the known "offensive" text (hogwash!), feel free to send the intended posting to me, and I will isolate the "offensive" content or other root cause of the problem. I monitor the TCP/NNTP protocol, so I know exactly what is going on. Ideally, use Forward As Attachment (right click) to attach the failed posting from your Sent Items folder. Send it to joeu2004 "at" hotmail.com. ----- original message ----- "Clif McIrvin" wrote in message ... Very helpful information ... I was suspecitng deletion based on contents ... but so far have not ciphered out what the offending text might be. As I have attempted sending as a new post, as pasting into a reply to this thread, and actually re-typing the entire message on the possibility that some offensive non-printable sequence had become embedded and all have failed, I will follow your other suggestion and see what happens in the test group. I did post here instead of the test group on purpose, knowing that, strictly speaking, I was out of protocol. Thanks for your kind reply. Clif "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... "Clif McIrvin" wrote: I'm not used to having trouble posting via NNTP using Outlook Express. I have uncovered two instances wherein the MSnews server seems to remove articles that contain certain text (anywhere in the ASCII form of the message, not just the body). Removal is usually almost instantaneous; but sometimes an article persists for several minutes. This is why we sometimes see "deleted from server" messages in OE. As I recall, one instance is if the message contains the substring "X Y Z" without the interstitial spaces. Of course "X Y Z" is a common example name. Another instance is if the message contains the substring "o n o" without the interstitial spaces. Tony Valko (Biff) encountered this when he used the word astro n omical". It is better to use microsoft.public.test.here for test posts. Yes, some problems could be newsgroup-specific. But that is very rare, if ever. (Some NG have different expiration criteria.) |
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What?! Eurditeness is an issue???
Seriously, THANK YOU for the help, Joe User. I passed this thread along to an MVP I'm acquainted with. Clif "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... I wrote: I will isolate the "offensive" content Well, we have a new "offensive" string to avoid: "c a s i o" without interstitial spaces. Clif made the mistake of using the word "occa sionally" (without the interstitial space). Serves him right, really! He shoulda just wrote "sometimes". :-) :-) :-) Seriously, someone needs to inform MS that their spam filter (I ass-u-me) is bad. Bad for business, since MS directs users to rely on the MS "discussion groups" for tech support. FYI, I want to reiterate that the removal of articles can happen minutes later. Even I got fooled initially when my first test with Clif failed posting succeeded. "Succeeded" meant: the header appeared in OE. But try opening the message (a separate NNTP request) some time later, and that's when we might get the "deleted from server" message. I didn't! Oh yeah: wait some time longer (5 min, in one case), reset the NG OE (i.e. flush headers and bodies), then read headers again, and voila! The message is no longer there. Usually, it seems that the article was never posted at all because we do not even see the header in OE. But careful monitoring of the NNTP protocol reveals that the article is accepted by the server and even assigned a number, which is my definition of "posted". The removal simply happens very soon thereafter, often within seconds. But the MSnews server seems unusually busy today, so the removal delay is quite long. This can lead to the seemingly "inexplicable" situation where articles posted to the MSnews server appear on other NG servers (Google Groups, MSDG, etc), but not on the MSnews server itself. Those remote sites are simply lucky(?) to poll and pull from the MSnews server before the article is removed. Geesh! I just found myself scanning this text for the offensive strings before pushing the send button. This is ridiculous! ----- original message ----- "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... "Clif McIrvin" wrote: As I have attempted sending as a new post, as pasting into a reply to this thread, and actually re-typing the entire message on the possibility that some offensive non-printable sequence had become embedded and all have failed, I will follow your other suggestion and see what happens in the test group. If you are saying you are still unable to post your intended message, and it does not contain any of the known "offensive" text (hogwash!), feel free to send the intended posting to me, and I will isolate the "offensive" content or other root cause of the problem. I monitor the TCP/NNTP protocol, so I know exactly what is going on. Ideally, use Forward As Attachment (right click) to attach the failed posting from your Sent Items folder. Send it to joeu2004 "at" hotmail.com. ----- original message ----- "Clif McIrvin" wrote in message ... Very helpful information ... I was suspecitng deletion based on contents ... but so far have not ciphered out what the offending text might be. As I have attempted sending as a new post, as pasting into a reply to this thread, and actually re-typing the entire message on the possibility that some offensive non-printable sequence had become embedded and all have failed, I will follow your other suggestion and see what happens in the test group. I did post here instead of the test group on purpose, knowing that, strictly speaking, I was out of protocol. Thanks for your kind reply. Clif "Joe User" <joeu2004 wrote in message ... "Clif McIrvin" wrote: I'm not used to having trouble posting via NNTP using Outlook Express. I have uncovered two instances wherein the MSnews server seems to remove articles that contain certain text (anywhere in the ASCII form of the message, not just the body). Removal is usually almost instantaneous; but sometimes an article persists for several minutes. This is why we sometimes see "deleted from server" messages in OE. As I recall, one instance is if the message contains the substring "X Y Z" without the interstitial spaces. Of course "X Y Z" is a common example name. Another instance is if the message contains the substring "o n o" without the interstitial spaces. Tony Valko (Biff) encountered this when he used the word astro n omical". It is better to use microsoft.public.test.here for test posts. Yes, some problems could be newsgroup-specific. But that is very rare, if ever. (Some NG have different expiration criteria.) |
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