need formula 4 %change on both neg and pos movemnt year to year co
 

i need to have a formula that will calculate % change for loss to profit and
profit to loss and profit to profit

(16968) (-12074) = 28.8% increase
(12074) 5582 = 146.2% increase
my formula is showing 28.8 decrease and -146.2 decrease
can tseem to get one formula that will account for movement both ways

need formula 4 %change on both neg and pos movemnt year to year co
 

1. Post your formula.
2. Explain what (-12074) is. Is this negative 12,074 or positive 12,074?

Regards,
Fred

"suesolotel" wrote in message
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i need to have a formula that will calculate % change for loss to profit
and
profit to loss and profit to profit

(16968) (-12074) = 28.8% increase
(12074) 5582 = 146.2% increase
my formula is showing 28.8 decrease and -146.2 decrease
can tseem to get one formula that will account for movement both ways

need formula 4 %change on both neg and pos movemnt year to yearco
 

On Jan 11, 4:25*pm, suesolotel
wrote:
i need to have a formula that will calculate % change for loss to profit
and profit to loss and profit to profit

The problem is: there is no agreement (that I know of) on how to
report the difference between negative and positive values.

The following will probably fit your needs (format as Percentage),
where you want to report the percentage change from A1 to A2:

=A2/A1 - 1

Thus:

1. If profits rise from 100 to 200, the formula results in 100%; i.e.,
"a 100% increase in profits".

2. If profits decline from 100 to 0, the formula results in -100%;
i.e., "a 100% decrease in profits".

3. If profits of 100 decline to a loss of -100, the formula results in
-200%; i.e, "a 200% decrease in profits".

4. If losses go from -100 to -200, the formula results in 100%; i.e.,
"a 100% increase in losses". (I believe that fits the vernacular,
even though it is a numerical decrease.)

5. If losses go from -100 to 0, the formula results in -100%; i.e. "a
100% decrease in losses". (Again, I believe that fits the vernacular,
even though it is a numerical increase.)

Note: If any of those cases do not fit your use of terms, please
enumerate the cases and how you would express them.

Problems arise with two special cases:

6. Profits of 0 increase or turn into losses. If profits go from 0 to
100, what would you say the percentage increase is? Before you
answer, consider the case of profits rising from 0.01 to 100.

7. Losses of -100 turn into a profit of 100. The formula would
reflect "a 200% decrease in losses". Technically consistent with #5
(and perhaps #3) above. But am I not sure that is what you would want
to say, since it still sounds like a loss.

To account for the special cases, you might use the following formula:

=if(A1<0, if(and(A1<0,A20), "dont know", A2/A1 - 1), if(A2=0, 0,
if(A2<0, "dont know", "dont know")))

You fill in the "dont know" parts, probably replace them with numeric
expressions, not strings. I separated those parts in case you want to
choose different expressions. (I suspect you will.) Otherwise, the
formula can be simplified.

HTH.

need formula 4 %change on both neg and pos movemnt year to yearco
 

PS....

On Jan 12, 10:46*am, i wrote:
The following will probably fit your needs (format as Percentage),
where you want to report the percentage change from A1 to A2:
=A2/A1 - 1

If you want to report everything as a percentage change of "profit",
where you consider a loss to be negative profit, you could us:

=(A2-A1)/abs(A1)

(Note: For comparison, my original formula could be rewritten as (A2-
A1)/A1.)

That gives the following results:

A1 A2
Previous Current %Change
100 200 100%
100 0 -100%
100 -100 200%
-100 -200 -100% (!)
-100 0 100% (!)
-100 100 200% (!)

Again, a change from 0 (A1) to anything (A2) must be handled as a
special case. So you might write:

=if(A1<0, (A2-A1)/abs(A1), if(A2=0, 0, if(A2<0, "dont know", "dont
know")))

Finally, you might want to follow GAAP. I cannot say dispositively
what GAAP (or the FASB) says about this today. But my decades-old
accounting text based on GAAP states that percentage change should be
calculated only when both values (A1 and A2) are postive (i.e. greater
than zero). Percentage change is not calculated when one or both
values are non-positive (i.e. less than or equal to zero).

need formula 4 %change on both neg and pos movemnt year to yearco
 

Errata....

On Jan 12, 4:09*pm, I wrote:
If you want to report everything as a percentage change of "profit",
where you consider a loss to be negative profit, you could us:
=(A2-A1)/abs(A1)
[....]
That gives the following results:

A1 * * * * * * A2
Previous * *Current * *%Change
*[....]
*100 * * * * *-100 * * * * 200%

Obvious transcription error. If you do the math or let Excel do it
for you, you'll get the right answer, namely -200%.