2007 User Interface
I've spent more than 25 years using the Excel and Lotus 123 interfaces.
Excel did a great job of stealing Lotus customers by making sure people comfortable with that interface did not have to learn a new one. My first hour of using the 2007 trial in Excel has been more painful than I can describe. Is there a switch I can turn to add the old menu and tool bars as an option??? Not leveraging the value of the investments in the familiar old interface is a major blunder and probably an opportunity for someone to steal their market. Bad, Bad move. Let me use my time invested in Microsoft Excel. Give me a switch to the old interface. |
2007 User Interface
NO BOB (You are stuck in the mud with the rest of us 2007 gota haves) Get
over it. -- William<"M" "Bob P" wrote: I've spent more than 25 years using the Excel and Lotus 123 interfaces. Excel did a great job of stealing Lotus customers by making sure people comfortable with that interface did not have to learn a new one. My first hour of using the 2007 trial in Excel has been more painful than I can describe. Is there a switch I can turn to add the old menu and tool bars as an option??? Not leveraging the value of the investments in the familiar old interface is a major blunder and probably an opportunity for someone to steal their market. Bad, Bad move. Let me use my time invested in Microsoft Excel. Give me a switch to the old interface. |
2007 User Interface
"Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... The only switch that allows the old interface is to switch back to Excel 2003. You're not the only one struggling with the new interface or wondering Why. There are some third party tools that allow some measure of control over the interface, and it's a matter of time before someone comes up with an arrangement which partially mimics the familiar Excel 2003 appearance. I sincerely hope not, that is regressive IMO. Far better to work at making the 2007 experience better, by utilising the new functions, and by lobbying MS to make it more flexible. If people don't want the ribbon, they can stay with 2003, that at least will make MS sit up and listen if enough don't upgrade. |
2007 User Interface
I for one am going back to 2003 (lucky I downloaded the trial version
of 2007). I have been using the new interface for just on 3 weeks now and its driving me nuts. I have 1 spreadsheet that I download 3 times a day and I used to run autofilter on it make a quick selections from the drop down to get it filtered further took no longer than 15 -20 seconds with 2007 the same process takes over 90 seconds. Thats only one of the little things that add up to make the interface in 2007 a pain. |
2007 User Interface
"Bob Phillips" wrote in message ... "Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... The only switch that allows the old interface is to switch back to Excel 2003. You're not the only one struggling with the new interface or wondering Why. There are some third party tools that allow some measure of control over the interface, and it's a matter of time before someone comes up with an arrangement which partially mimics the familiar Excel 2003 appearance. I sincerely hope not, that is regressive IMO. Far better to work at making the 2007 experience better, by utilising the new functions, and by lobbying MS to make it more flexible. If people don't want the ribbon, they can stay with 2003, that at least will make MS sit up and listen if enough don't upgrade. How will they listen if people run out and buy 2007, then uninstall it in favor of 2003? This is what seems to be happening in a lot of cases where people get frustrated with the strangeness of the ribbon, and the inefficiency of the supposedly more efficient interface. - Jon ------- Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP Tutorials and Custom Solutions http://PeltierTech.com _______ |
2007 User Interface
"Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... "Bob Phillips" wrote in message ... "Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... The only switch that allows the old interface is to switch back to Excel 2003. You're not the only one struggling with the new interface or wondering Why. There are some third party tools that allow some measure of control over the interface, and it's a matter of time before someone comes up with an arrangement which partially mimics the familiar Excel 2003 appearance. I sincerely hope not, that is regressive IMO. Far better to work at making the 2007 experience better, by utilising the new functions, and by lobbying MS to make it more flexible. If people don't want the ribbon, they can stay with 2003, that at least will make MS sit up and listen if enough don't upgrade. How will they listen if people run out and buy 2007, then uninstall it in favor of 2003? This is what seems to be happening in a lot of cases where people get frustrated with the strangeness of the ribbon, and the inefficiency of the supposedly more efficient interface. Do people have so much money that they can afford to buy a £200+ program, and then bin it? Why not trial it? I agree that if that happens, then the impact is lessened, but you cannot legislate for people's behaviour. It doesn't stop me thinking that building a 2003 looky-feel interface is not a good idea. |
2007 User Interface
This mirrors my own experience. Even though I'm becoming more familiar with
the interface, its very design takes away the efficiency I've developed over time. More mouse clicks are required, more mouse movement overall, two tabs in a dialog instead of one, and double clicking that no longer activates a dialog. - Jon ------- Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP Tutorials and Custom Solutions http://PeltierTech.com _______ wrote in message ups.com... I for one am going back to 2003 (lucky I downloaded the trial version of 2007). I have been using the new interface for just on 3 weeks now and its driving me nuts. I have 1 spreadsheet that I download 3 times a day and I used to run autofilter on it make a quick selections from the drop down to get it filtered further took no longer than 15 -20 seconds with 2007 the same process takes over 90 seconds. Thats only one of the little things that add up to make the interface in 2007 a pain. |
2007 User Interface
"Bob Phillips" wrote in message ... "Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... "Bob Phillips" wrote in message ... "Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... The only switch that allows the old interface is to switch back to Excel 2003. You're not the only one struggling with the new interface or wondering Why. There are some third party tools that allow some measure of control over the interface, and it's a matter of time before someone comes up with an arrangement which partially mimics the familiar Excel 2003 appearance. I sincerely hope not, that is regressive IMO. Far better to work at making the 2007 experience better, by utilising the new functions, and by lobbying MS to make it more flexible. If people don't want the ribbon, they can stay with 2003, that at least will make MS sit up and listen if enough don't upgrade. How will they listen if people run out and buy 2007, then uninstall it in favor of 2003? This is what seems to be happening in a lot of cases where people get frustrated with the strangeness of the ribbon, and the inefficiency of the supposedly more efficient interface. Do people have so much money that they can afford to buy a £200+ program, and then bin it? Why not trial it? I agree that if that happens, then the impact is lessened, but you cannot legislate for people's behaviour. It doesn't stop me thinking that building a 2003 looky-feel interface is not a good idea. Maybe it is just the trial that people are abandoning, which would show up somewhere on the MS radar screen. Bob, I agree that making a look-alike interface would be a step backward, and I imagine doing so would impact performance even more. In principle the ribbon based interface sounds like a great idea, and I didn't find it too hard to adjust to its nuances. I will admit it took a while to learn which tab had the command I needed, and even now I have to hunt for those infrequently used items. But the ribbon's potential efficiency is hindered by its inflexibility and its inability to truly anticipate what the user needs at any given time (at least what I need at any given time). - Jon ------- Jon Peltier, Microsoft Excel MVP Tutorials and Custom Solutions http://PeltierTech.com _______ |
2007 User Interface
"Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... "Bob Phillips" wrote in message ... "Jon Peltier" wrote in message ... Do people have so much money that they can afford to buy a £200+ program, and then bin it? Why not trial it? I agree that if that happens, then the impact is lessened, but you cannot legislate for people's behaviour. It doesn't stop me thinking that building a 2003 looky-feel interface is not a good idea. Bob, I agree that making a look-alike interface would be a step backward, and I imagine doing so would impact performance even more. In principle the ribbon based interface sounds like a great idea, and I didn't find it too hard to adjust to its nuances. I will admit it took a while to learn which tab had the command I needed, and even now I have to hunt for those infrequently used items. But the ribbon's potential efficiency is hindered by its inflexibility and its inability to truly anticipate what the user needs at any given time (at least what I need at any given time). I agree with everything you are saying here Jon. I too find the ribbon far less efficient than what I am used. I too abhor its lack of flexibility, and it is this latter point especially that I personally will expend my efforts in trying to get MS to see the light. The thing we should also point out all the time is that Excel is much improved (I know you will tell me about the many failings of the charting engine, not my field <bg., and I know there are still many failings, Pivot tables still need work, Data Validation, and so on, and I don't agree with a million rows, but overall .... No, the failings that the ribbon give rise to are in Office, which is imposed upon Excel. I read an interesting idea recently, I think it was either Simon Murphy or Dennis Wallentin, who suggested that as Excel and Access are development tools, and should be unbundled from Office. Maybe than they could be let loose, and we could have a real debate upon where they should evolve. |
2007 User Interface
After sleeping on it I am even more angry.
I want to do work. I want help doing my work. Somebody at Microsoft completely missed the point that this is a tool. Any way to get this message to the owners???(Gates, Balmer, stockholders et al?) |
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