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I've spent more than 25 years using the Excel and Lotus 123 interfaces.
Excel did a great job of stealing Lotus customers by making sure people
comfortable with that interface did not have to learn a new one.

My first hour of using the 2007 trial in Excel has been more painful than I
can describe.

Is there a switch I can turn to add the old menu and tool bars as an option???

Not leveraging the value of the investments in the familiar old interface is
a major blunder and probably an opportunity for someone to steal their market.

Bad, Bad move. Let me use my time invested in Microsoft Excel. Give me a
switch to the old interface.




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NO BOB (You are stuck in the mud with the rest of us 2007 gota haves) Get
over it.
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I've spent more than 25 years using the Excel and Lotus 123 interfaces.
Excel did a great job of stealing Lotus customers by making sure people
comfortable with that interface did not have to learn a new one.

My first hour of using the 2007 trial in Excel has been more painful than I
can describe.

Is there a switch I can turn to add the old menu and tool bars as an option???

Not leveraging the value of the investments in the familiar old interface is
a major blunder and probably an opportunity for someone to steal their market.

Bad, Bad move. Let me use my time invested in Microsoft Excel. Give me a
switch to the old interface.




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The only switch that allows the old interface is to switch back to Excel
2003. You're not the only one struggling with the new interface or wondering
Why.

There are some third party tools that allow some measure of control over the
interface, and it's a matter of time before someone comes up with an
arrangement which partially mimics the familiar Excel 2003 appearance.

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I've spent more than 25 years using the Excel and Lotus 123 interfaces.
Excel did a great job of stealing Lotus customers by making sure people
comfortable with that interface did not have to learn a new one.

My first hour of using the 2007 trial in Excel has been more painful than
I
can describe.

Is there a switch I can turn to add the old menu and tool bars as an
option???

Not leveraging the value of the investments in the familiar old interface
is
a major blunder and probably an opportunity for someone to steal their
market.

Bad, Bad move. Let me use my time invested in Microsoft Excel. Give me a
switch to the old interface.






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"Jon Peltier" wrote in message
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The only switch that allows the old interface is to switch back to Excel
2003. You're not the only one struggling with the new interface or
wondering Why.

There are some third party tools that allow some measure of control over
the interface, and it's a matter of time before someone comes up with an
arrangement which partially mimics the familiar Excel 2003 appearance.



I sincerely hope not, that is regressive IMO. Far better to work at making
the 2007 experience better, by utilising the new functions, and by lobbying
MS to make it more flexible. If people don't want the ribbon, they can stay
with 2003, that at least will make MS sit up and listen if enough don't
upgrade.


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I for one am going back to 2003 (lucky I downloaded the trial version
of 2007). I have been using the new interface for just on 3 weeks now
and its driving me nuts. I have 1 spreadsheet that I download 3 times
a day and I used to run autofilter on it make a quick selections from
the drop down to get it filtered further took no longer than 15 -20
seconds with 2007 the same process takes over 90 seconds. Thats only
one of the little things that add up to make the interface in 2007 a
pain.





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"Bob Phillips" wrote in message
...

"Jon Peltier" wrote in message
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The only switch that allows the old interface is to switch back to Excel
2003. You're not the only one struggling with the new interface or
wondering Why.

There are some third party tools that allow some measure of control over
the interface, and it's a matter of time before someone comes up with an
arrangement which partially mimics the familiar Excel 2003 appearance.



I sincerely hope not, that is regressive IMO. Far better to work at making
the 2007 experience better, by utilising the new functions, and by
lobbying MS to make it more flexible. If people don't want the ribbon,
they can stay with 2003, that at least will make MS sit up and listen if
enough don't upgrade.


How will they listen if people run out and buy 2007, then uninstall it in
favor of 2003? This is what seems to be happening in a lot of cases where
people get frustrated with the strangeness of the ribbon, and the
inefficiency of the supposedly more efficient interface.

- Jon
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Tutorials and Custom Solutions
http://PeltierTech.com
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"Jon Peltier" wrote in message
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"Bob Phillips" wrote in message
...

"Jon Peltier" wrote in message
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The only switch that allows the old interface is to switch back to Excel
2003. You're not the only one struggling with the new interface or
wondering Why.

There are some third party tools that allow some measure of control over
the interface, and it's a matter of time before someone comes up with an
arrangement which partially mimics the familiar Excel 2003 appearance.



I sincerely hope not, that is regressive IMO. Far better to work at
making the 2007 experience better, by utilising the new functions, and by
lobbying MS to make it more flexible. If people don't want the ribbon,
they can stay with 2003, that at least will make MS sit up and listen if
enough don't upgrade.


How will they listen if people run out and buy 2007, then uninstall it in
favor of 2003? This is what seems to be happening in a lot of cases where
people get frustrated with the strangeness of the ribbon, and the
inefficiency of the supposedly more efficient interface.


Do people have so much money that they can afford to buy a £200+ program,
and then bin it? Why not trial it?

I agree that if that happens, then the impact is lessened, but you cannot
legislate for people's behaviour. It doesn't stop me thinking that building
a 2003 looky-feel interface is not a good idea.


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This mirrors my own experience. Even though I'm becoming more familiar with
the interface, its very design takes away the efficiency I've developed over
time. More mouse clicks are required, more mouse movement overall, two tabs
in a dialog instead of one, and double clicking that no longer activates a
dialog.

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I for one am going back to 2003 (lucky I downloaded the trial version
of 2007). I have been using the new interface for just on 3 weeks now
and its driving me nuts. I have 1 spreadsheet that I download 3 times
a day and I used to run autofilter on it make a quick selections from
the drop down to get it filtered further took no longer than 15 -20
seconds with 2007 the same process takes over 90 seconds. Thats only
one of the little things that add up to make the interface in 2007 a
pain.





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"Bob Phillips" wrote in message
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"Jon Peltier" wrote in message
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"Bob Phillips" wrote in message
...

"Jon Peltier" wrote in message
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The only switch that allows the old interface is to switch back to
Excel 2003. You're not the only one struggling with the new interface
or wondering Why.

There are some third party tools that allow some measure of control
over the interface, and it's a matter of time before someone comes up
with an arrangement which partially mimics the familiar Excel 2003
appearance.


I sincerely hope not, that is regressive IMO. Far better to work at
making the 2007 experience better, by utilising the new functions, and
by lobbying MS to make it more flexible. If people don't want the
ribbon, they can stay with 2003, that at least will make MS sit up and
listen if enough don't upgrade.


How will they listen if people run out and buy 2007, then uninstall it in
favor of 2003? This is what seems to be happening in a lot of cases where
people get frustrated with the strangeness of the ribbon, and the
inefficiency of the supposedly more efficient interface.


Do people have so much money that they can afford to buy a £200+ program,
and then bin it? Why not trial it?

I agree that if that happens, then the impact is lessened, but you cannot
legislate for people's behaviour. It doesn't stop me thinking that
building a 2003 looky-feel interface is not a good idea.


Maybe it is just the trial that people are abandoning, which would show up
somewhere on the MS radar screen.

Bob, I agree that making a look-alike interface would be a step backward,
and I imagine doing so would impact performance even more. In principle the
ribbon based interface sounds like a great idea, and I didn't find it too
hard to adjust to its nuances. I will admit it took a while to learn which
tab had the command I needed, and even now I have to hunt for those
infrequently used items. But the ribbon's potential efficiency is hindered
by its inflexibility and its inability to truly anticipate what the user
needs at any given time (at least what I need at any given time).

- Jon
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"Jon Peltier" wrote in message
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"Bob Phillips" wrote in message
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"Jon Peltier" wrote in message
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Do people have so much money that they can afford to buy a £200+ program,
and then bin it? Why not trial it?

I agree that if that happens, then the impact is lessened, but you cannot
legislate for people's behaviour. It doesn't stop me thinking that
building a 2003 looky-feel interface is not a good idea.


Bob, I agree that making a look-alike interface would be a step backward,
and I imagine doing so would impact performance even more. In principle
the ribbon based interface sounds like a great idea, and I didn't find it
too hard to adjust to its nuances. I will admit it took a while to learn
which tab had the command I needed, and even now I have to hunt for those
infrequently used items. But the ribbon's potential efficiency is hindered
by its inflexibility and its inability to truly anticipate what the user
needs at any given time (at least what I need at any given time).


I agree with everything you are saying here Jon. I too find the ribbon far
less efficient than what I am used. I too abhor its lack of flexibility, and
it is this latter point especially that I personally will expend my efforts
in trying to get MS to see the light.

The thing we should also point out all the time is that Excel is much
improved (I know you will tell me about the many failings of the charting
engine, not my field <bg., and I know there are still many failings, Pivot
tables still need work, Data Validation, and so on, and I don't agree with a
million rows, but overall .... No, the failings that the ribbon give rise to
are in Office, which is imposed upon Excel. I read an interesting idea
recently, I think it was either Simon Murphy or Dennis Wallentin, who
suggested that as Excel and Access are development tools, and should be
unbundled from Office. Maybe than they could be let loose, and we could have
a real debate upon where they should evolve.




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After sleeping on it I am even more angry.

I want to do work. I want help doing my work.

Somebody at Microsoft completely missed the point that this is a tool.

Any way to get this message to the owners???(Gates, Balmer, stockholders et
al?)
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